New school start times survey

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

[Anonymous]

Loudon HS are considerably smaller than FCPS HS, have less athletic teams/extracurriculars, and less community use at their HSs. If we built 7-8 more HS then we could use Loudon’s schedule.
BUY more buses and out MS on the same schedule as HS. Keep everything else the same. If it’s important, fund it. If we aren’t willing to pay for it why are we making a change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works. [/



Option 2 does not work for ES. I spoke to several higher ups in FCPS and they agree. This is all performative. I don’t think any change will be happening because the majority will think both plans suck and the county has its hands full with boundary adjustments and buying a new high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Loudon HS are considerably smaller than FCPS HS, have less athletic teams/extracurriculars, and less community use at their HSs. If we built 7-8 more HS then we could use Loudon’s schedule.
BUY more buses and out MS on the same schedule as HS. Keep everything else the same. If it’s important, fund it. If we aren’t willing to pay for it why are we making a change.

I live in Loudoun and this is false.

[Anonymous]

Schools are much bigger - fact
More athletic teams and larger teams due to size of school (FCPS now has boys volleyball, girls wrestling, girls flag football) not sure if London has those.
Community use - Fairfax county has a much larger population and the HS are used for community use at all times. Loudon cannot be used more, but maybe it’s equal even though the HSs are using their fields later into the night due to later start times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

Option 1 is what is best for academic learning hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

No one cares about the middle school schedule.

It is only 2 years and is the lowest priority

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

You do realize that the high school kids will just stay up later and will not do any better academically. They should go to sleep but they won’t and most parents won’t enforce. Most of this “so called” research is just surveys by the students so of course they like the idea of sleeping in. In actual data comparing schools they make a change to later or earlier there is virtually no difference in academic performance. Grades in generally have become very inflated in the last 10 years so of course anything you change can be defended with better academic success. You can make the data say whatever you want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

You do realize that the high school kids will just stay up later and will not do any better academically. They should go to sleep but they won’t and most parents won’t enforce. Most of this “so called” research is just surveys by the students so of course they like the idea of sleeping in. In actual data comparing schools they make a change to later or earlier there is virtually no difference in academic performance. Grades in generally have become very inflated in the last 10 years so of course anything you change can be defended with better academic success. You can make the data say whatever you want to.

If they (HS) get out one hour later they will need to stay up one hour later to make up for the lost homework time after school. It will negate any benefits from starting later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

Right now high school is 8:10 am (not 8 am) and most people think that’s fine. In fact, they were only considering changing start times for middle school, without affecting the high school times. That was explicitly stated by FCPS. Who said we can’t start before 8:30 am? Prism? They were hired to come up with ideas that for what FCPS wants. FCPS doesn’t want to mess with the HS schedule. But they agree 7:30 am sucks. Option 2 allows it to happen so that MS gets 8 am and HS gets 8:40 am. That’s a win for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Option 1 has the high schools starting too late. 9 am is not ok, especially when they initially said high school times wouldn’t be affected.

The earliest acceptable start time for both MS and HS is 830a. 9a is not terribly late. Could it be a smidge earlier? Sure, but not by much. And they have to find a way to make this all work with the available transportation capacity. Given that, 9a seems pretty darn reasonable.

9:00 is fine.

Nope.

Keep high school on the current schedule

Any later is too late and any earlier is too early.

+1 I would only accept 30 min later max for high school. That’s why option 2 is the only one that works.

Well 30 min later is the minimum for high school to be on the recommended schedule of no students 7th+ grade starting before 830am. I'm ok with 830am or even 9am, but 8am is objectively too early for the majority of high school students in order to maximize their academic achievement at school according to research. And that's what this is about, what's best for students academically... not what's best for their extracurriculars (which can adapt to the school schedule), not what's most convenient for parents (as if there were ever any hope of consensus on that topic), but what's best for the students themselves, from a primarily academic perspective.

Right now high school is 8:10 am (not 8 am) and most people think that’s fine. In fact, they were only considering changing start times for middle school, without affecting the high school times. That was explicitly stated by FCPS. Who said we can’t start before 8:30 am? Prism? They were hired to come up with ideas that for what FCPS wants. FCPS doesn’t want to mess with the HS schedule. But they agree 7:30 am sucks. Option 2 allows it to happen so that MS gets 8 am and HS gets 8:40 am. That’s a win for us.

And what about the huge chunk of elementary schools that are going to start at nearly 10 am for 7 years of school? This is a big picture issue system wide and Option 2 is just not realistic.

[Anonymous]

Agree Option 2 is the only realistic one at this point. And the FCPS "higher ups" I've talked to agree...so just like with parents, there are employees strongly in all camps on this too. Will be very interesting to see what the SB actually goes with.

[Anonymous]

Based on the way the survey was designed, I'm convinced they are going to opt to keep things the same. They'll show data that both plans are highly unpopular with some set of the FCPS population and most people opted for the neither option. They tried last year to say none of the options are viable and we're looking into alternatives and a bunch of people kept pestering them on it. They came back this year with 2 of the 5 options given last year and a survey that was about how badly the options would screw up your day and an option to choose neither as the preferred new schedule.