Walls Versus DCI

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are dumb because it's just people justifying decisions they already made and can't reverse.

I agree. Not everyone wants the IB diploma and not every kid is going to be good at foreign languages and stem. I think Latin looks great for the kid who needs small class sizes and less focus on things like foreign languages and math. I really don’t understand this hostility.

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Anonymous wrote:Our children will not be applying to Walls because we really value the IB diploma. I don’t have a lot of confidence in American universities based on the attacks by the current administration. Walls seems like a great school but we are looking at overseas options really seriously.

I’m sure Latin is fine, but there isn’t a lot of value in learning Latin for our family. It doesn’t make sense for us. And the courses won’t be enough for overseas schools in the majors our kids are contemplating.

Sure but only 1/2 of students at DCI even get an IB diploma, only 2/3 get a biliteracy seal, and the average IB score at DCI is in the bottom half of the world.

Maybe your kid will be the top student at DCI. But maybe your kid will end up without an IB diploma and only a minimal proficiency in a foreign language.

Spes semper oritur.

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We have lots and lots of data on how different schools perform on tests. You can just look at the numbers, instead of doing this endless he said, she said thing.

Spoiler alert: Walls is the cream of the crop.

https://www.empowerk12.org/dc-report-card-metrics-dashboard

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Anonymous wrote:Our children will not be applying to Walls because we really value the IB diploma. I don’t have a lot of confidence in American universities based on the attacks by the current administration. Walls seems like a great school but we are looking at overseas options really seriously.

I’m sure Latin is fine, but there isn’t a lot of value in learning Latin for our family. It doesn’t make sense for us. And the courses won’t be enough for overseas schools in the majors our kids are contemplating.

Sure but only 1/2 of students at DCI even get an IB diploma, only 2/3 get a biliteracy seal, and the average IB score at DCI is in the bottom half of the world.

Maybe your kid will be the top student at DCI. But maybe your kid will end up without an IB diploma and only a minimal proficiency in a foreign language.

Spes semper oritur.

Um my kid is a top student at dci.

But thanks for hoping my kid fails. Wow. Nice parent community you have there at Latin.

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NP. Come on, PP above is right about only around 1/2 the DCI seniors earning the Diploma and the average IB score being below average internationally. Much of the problem is obviously preparation. Hint: few DC public elementary and middle schools offer nearly enough challenge to advanced learners.

Framing the issue as "hoping my kid fails" seems emotional, immature and pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

I don’t understand why you’re so aggressive about this.

I suspect you’re one of the parents of the kids at our immersion charter who frankly could not learn the target language and fled to Latin where they didn’t have to struggle anymore. Calm down some kids aren’t good at foreign languages. Stop being so hostile and defensive. Latin is a fine school.

We are heading to Latin from an immersion charter. Our child is proficient in Spanish (based on Spanish MAP and oral language assessments). Not everyone who chooses Latin is an immersion failure. We choose Latin because it was an option and we think it’s a better fit for our kid. Other people make different choices and that’s ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

I don’t understand why you’re so aggressive about this.

I suspect you’re one of the parents of the kids at our immersion charter who frankly could not learn the target language and fled to Latin where they didn’t have to struggle anymore. Calm down some kids aren’t good at foreign languages. Stop being so hostile and defensive. Latin is a fine school.

This is so ridiculous I'm assuming you're just a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are dumb because it's just people justifying decisions they already made and can't reverse.

I agree. Not everyone wants the IB diploma and not every kid is going to be good at foreign languages and stem. I think Latin looks great for the kid who needs small class sizes and less focus on things like foreign languages and math. I really don’t understand this hostility.

The thing is all the students at DCI who come up through the charter feeders aren't good at foreign languages or STEM either. Many of the UMC DCI families who have the means to take language immersion seriously don't and never have, particularly on the Chinese and French tracks. When DCI HS students travel to China as a group, it's almost always the first time they've been there, although plenty of these families routinely travel abroad. They vacation in Europe or the Caribbean or Mexico. Why bother with Chinese or China when you don't have to? We know a couple Latin students who speak and understand better Chinese than most DCI students their ages on the advanced Chinese track. Fact is, both Latins, BASIS and Walls are much more accessible to Capitol Hill than DCI and many Ward 6 parents with lottery luck take spots in these programs for this reason as much as anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

I don’t understand why you’re so aggressive about this.

I suspect you’re one of the parents of the kids at our immersion charter who frankly could not learn the target language and fled to Latin where they didn’t have to struggle anymore. Calm down some kids aren’t good at foreign languages. Stop being so hostile and defensive. Latin is a fine school.

This is so ridiculous I'm assuming you're just a troll.

No the kids who couldn’t cut it because they couldn’t learn the language all tried for Latin or a better dcps. You sound so defensive I assume you’re one of those parents.

You’re really selling Latin with your horrible and mean comments about actual children btw.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads are dumb because it's just people justifying decisions they already made and can't reverse.

I agree. Not everyone wants the IB diploma and not every kid is going to be good at foreign languages and stem. I think Latin looks great for the kid who needs small class sizes and less focus on things like foreign languages and math. I really don’t understand this hostility.

The thing is all the students at DCI who come up through the charter feeders aren't good at foreign languages or STEM either. Many of the UMC DCI families who have the means to take language immersion seriously don't and never have, particularly on the Chinese and French tracks. When DCI HS students travel to China as a group, it's almost always the first time they've been there, although plenty of these families routinely travel abroad. They vacation in Europe or the Caribbean or Mexico. Why bother with Chinese or China when you don't have to? We know a couple Latin students who speak and understand better Chinese than most DCI students their ages on the advanced Chinese track. Fact is, both Latins, BASIS and Walls are much more accessible to Capitol Hill than DCI and many Ward 6 parents with lottery luck take spots in these programs for this reason as much as anything else.

This is just fan fiction

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Come on, PP above is right about only around 1/2 the DCI seniors earning the Diploma and the average IB score being below average internationally. Much of the problem is obviously preparation. Hint: few DC public elementary and middle schools offer nearly enough challenge to advanced learners.

Framing the issue as "hoping my kid fails" seems emotional, immature and pointless.

Honestly I cannot believe you would say such things about children. Some kids at dci won’t get the IB diploma because they choose the IB career track. Good for them. Some kids won’t get the IB diploma because they don’t make it. That is really unfortunate. Other kids will get it. My children are doing really well, and I don’t appreciate the rude and unfounded comments hoping that they’ll do poorly. I would love it if all children succeed, especially those in dc.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

PP I also know of several at dci who got into walls and decided to stay for the IB diploma. I just wouldn’t waste your time with this person as it seems clear there is a mental health issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

I don’t understand why you’re so aggressive about this.

I suspect you’re one of the parents of the kids at our immersion charter who frankly could not learn the target language and fled to Latin where they didn’t have to struggle anymore. Calm down some kids aren’t good at foreign languages. Stop being so hostile and defensive. Latin is a fine school.

This is so ridiculous I'm assuming you're just a troll.

No the kids who couldn’t cut it because they couldn’t learn the language all tried for Latin or a better dcps. You sound so defensive I assume you’re one of those parents.

You’re really selling Latin with your horrible and mean comments about actual children btw.

You are essentially calling immersion kids who choose Latin failures. Saying things like they “couldn’t cut it” is also not nice. People pick schools like Stokes, MV and DCB for other reasons and are not super invested in bilingualism. I don’t think anyone is trying to “sell” Latin with horrible comments. Most of them just point out that people make different choices for their kids. This back and forth comparing schools that are very different isn’t helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

LOL. There's 501 kids on the waitlist for fifth grade at Latin 2nd Street. That's for 71 seats. Show me another school in DC that has seven kids on the waitlist for every available seat. This year, Latin has made a grand total of five waitlist offers.