Walls Versus DCI

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

You just proved my point that they don’t draw different types of kids. You are at DCI but would have gone to Latin. We are at Latin, but strongly considered continuing to DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed-thanks all...this is the original poster and yes it was about DCI or Walls since those are our options. Our kid is really good with languages so we are sticking with DCI...but I am still nervous about that decision!

It’s normal to feel nervous, but at the end of the day, a child can absolutely fulfill their potential at DCI. It’s what your child makes of the school and the opportunities that are offered. There is a cohort of high achieving kids at DCI, so your child won’t be alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed-thanks all...this is the original poster and yes it was about DCI or Walls since those are our options. Our kid is really good with languages so we are sticking with DCI...but I am still nervous about that decision!

If your kid got into Walls, I'm sure they are a star and will have more opportunities in the future. Every decision has pros and cons and were just making predictions... We can't know if it's the "right" one. But I'm sure they'll be just fine!

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed-thanks all...this is the original poster and yes it was about DCI or Walls since those are our options. Our kid is really good with languages so we are sticking with DCI...but I am still nervous about that decision!

It’s normal to feel nervous, but at the end of the day, a child can absolutely fulfill their potential at DCI. It’s what your child makes of the school and the opportunities that are offered. There is a cohort of high achieving kids at DCI, so your child won’t be alone.

+1. Your kid is not the only one OP that declined a spot at Walls. We are good friends with a family whose kid also declined a spot for this coming fall.

BTW if your kid has not applied for the immersion trip and done it, do consider. Kid above did it and was telling us how absolutely amazing it was.

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These threads are dumb because it's just people justifying decisions they already made and can't reverse.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You turned it down to prove that the waitlist moved? Gee…that sounds ….unlikely…

Troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You turned it down to prove that the waitlist moved? Gee…that sounds ….unlikely…

Troll.

What are you taking about? I turned it down for the reasons I said above. So if I tuned down the offer then the waitlist would then move.

Of course I did not turn it down to prove anything.

People on here who have nothing of substance to offer and don’t want to believe facts and calls real posters a troll are just tiring. Let’s count how many times that has happened in this thread………

BTW, families who don’t play the lottery at all are in effect turning down all schools. Sure it’s a lottery and you have to get a spot but they essentially are increasing the odds for others in the lottery with not playing.

[Anonymous]

Our children will not be applying to Walls because we really value the IB diploma. I don’t have a lot of confidence in American universities based on the attacks by the current administration. Walls seems like a great school but we are looking at overseas options really seriously.

I’m sure Latin is fine, but there isn’t a lot of value in learning Latin for our family. It doesn’t make sense for us. And the courses won’t be enough for overseas schools in the majors our kids are contemplating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our children will not be applying to Walls because we really value the IB diploma. I don’t have a lot of confidence in American universities based on the attacks by the current administration. Walls seems like a great school but we are looking at overseas options really seriously.

I’m sure Latin is fine, but there isn’t a lot of value in learning Latin for our family. It doesn’t make sense for us. And the courses won’t be enough for overseas schools in the majors our kids are contemplating.

This is earth shattering. You are making a decision based on your individual family values and available opportunities.