Walls Versus DCI

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There are a couple of people in DC with kids at both Latin and DCI, or at both Walls and DCI, etc. That tells you that there isn't one objectively best school for every kid. Sometimes it depends on the kid, on the parents' values, on the kid's preferences, etc.

For high school especially, you want your kid to feel like they belong at their school and to be engaged and motivated.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned is that DCI parents are at the peak point of boosterism and they will trash all the other options (Walls, Latin and BASIS) to justify the choice or maybe keep people at DCI rather than moving to "build a cohort."

Why can't all four of those high schools be good options?

Really, because after reading the thread, what I see is that there are actual DCI families who post things they think are good or great about the school.

Then posters who have no kids at the school, who I’m assuming are a lot of Walls families, push back about not tracking in all subjects (which no school in DC has), how their IB scores are not in the high 30’s when they are not private and don’t self select.

Some DCI families state they chose the school over Latin or Walls, they are called trolls repeatedly. Then someone, presumably from Latin, brings up test scores again with Latin and comparisons are made.

Re-read this whole thread. DCI families are not trashing other schools. Many provided reasons why they chose DCI. I would not call that boosting. Then there is pushback from non- DCI families and discussion goes from there.

Now there are 2 DCI families on here who are not happy with the school and their reasons why it doesn’t work for their kid and valid.

What I find most interesting is that it’s crickets from Walls families. The only positive given is the kids. Nothing else and why this whole thread is focused on DCI.

Lastly, there are not many good high schools for EOTP families. I agree the only ones that are decent are Walls, Latin, and Basis. Now there is also DCI which is good for this side of town. We need more good high schools.

What is not good is that DCPS is trying to dismantle a big reason why Walls is a decent school. Those in DCPS should push back on this if they don’t want families to continue leaving DCPS and going to charters. That is the bigger issue and elephant in the room here.

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. This has mostly been someone(s) from DCI trashing other schools.

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Is there a significant workload/academic stress level difference between Walls and DCI?

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned is that DCI parents are at the peak point of boosterism and they will trash all the other options (Walls, Latin and BASIS) to justify the choice or maybe keep people at DCI rather than moving to "build a cohort."

Why can't all four of those high schools be good options?

Really, because after reading the thread, what I see is that there are actual DCI families who post things they think are good or great about the school.

Then posters who have no kids at the school, who I’m assuming are a lot of Walls families, push back about not tracking in all subjects (which no school in DC has), how their IB scores are not in the high 30’s when they are not private and don’t self select.

Some DCI families state they chose the school over Latin or Walls, they are called trolls repeatedly. Then someone, presumably from Latin, brings up test scores again with Latin and comparisons are made.

Re-read this whole thread. DCI families are not trashing other schools. Many provided reasons why they chose DCI. I would not call that boosting. Then there is pushback from non- DCI families and discussion goes from there.

Now there are 2 DCI families on here who are not happy with the school and their reasons why it doesn’t work for their kid and valid.

What I find most interesting is that it’s crickets from Walls families. The only positive given is the kids. Nothing else and why this whole thread is focused on DCI.

Lastly, there are not many good high schools for EOTP families. I agree the only ones that are decent are Walls, Latin, and Basis. Now there is also DCI which is good for this side of town. We need more good high schools.

What is not good is that DCPS is trying to dismantle a big reason why Walls is a decent school. Those in DCPS should push back on this if they don’t want families to continue leaving DCPS and going to charters. That is the bigger issue and elephant in the room here.

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. This has mostly been someone(s) from DCI trashing other schools.

+1. One of the PPs responded to a Latin post with “You are such a loser.” And other post basically called kids who chose Latin immersion failures. I’m a DCI parent and find this thread so bizarre. Also seems like some of the DCI posters don’t actually have a kid there yet so I don’t even know how they can comment on anything DCi.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned is that DCI parents are at the peak point of boosterism and they will trash all the other options (Walls, Latin and BASIS) to justify the choice or maybe keep people at DCI rather than moving to "build a cohort."

Why can't all four of those high schools be good options?

Really, because after reading the thread, what I see is that there are actual DCI families who post things they think are good or great about the school.

Then posters who have no kids at the school, who I’m assuming are a lot of Walls families, push back about not tracking in all subjects (which no school in DC has), how their IB scores are not in the high 30’s when they are not private and don’t self select.

Some DCI families state they chose the school over Latin or Walls, they are called trolls repeatedly. Then someone, presumably from Latin, brings up test scores again with Latin and comparisons are made.

Re-read this whole thread. DCI families are not trashing other schools. Many provided reasons why they chose DCI. I would not call that boosting. Then there is pushback from non- DCI families and discussion goes from there.

Now there are 2 DCI families on here who are not happy with the school and their reasons why it doesn’t work for their kid and valid.

What I find most interesting is that it’s crickets from Walls families. The only positive given is the kids. Nothing else and why this whole thread is focused on DCI.

Lastly, there are not many good high schools for EOTP families. I agree the only ones that are decent are Walls, Latin, and Basis. Now there is also DCI which is good for this side of town. We need more good high schools.

What is not good is that DCPS is trying to dismantle a big reason why Walls is a decent school. Those in DCPS should push back on this if they don’t want families to continue leaving DCPS and going to charters. That is the bigger issue and elephant in the room here.

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. This has mostly been someone(s) from DCI trashing other schools.

+1. One of the PPs responded to a Latin post with “You are such a loser.” And other post basically called kids who chose Latin immersion failures. I’m a DCI parent and find this thread so bizarre. Also seems like some of the DCI posters don’t actually have a kid there yet so I don’t even know how they can comment on anything DCi.

I think someone even tried to discredit and insult the one parent with the most useful insights who faced the same decision (the child who went to DCI for middle and then Walls for high school, and had friends at both high schools). I think that person has unfortunately left the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned is that DCI parents are at the peak point of boosterism and they will trash all the other options (Walls, Latin and BASIS) to justify the choice or maybe keep people at DCI rather than moving to "build a cohort."

Why can't all four of those high schools be good options?

Really, because after reading the thread, what I see is that there are actual DCI families who post things they think are good or great about the school.

Then posters who have no kids at the school, who I’m assuming are a lot of Walls families, push back about not tracking in all subjects (which no school in DC has), how their IB scores are not in the high 30’s when they are not private and don’t self select.

Some DCI families state they chose the school over Latin or Walls, they are called trolls repeatedly. Then someone, presumably from Latin, brings up test scores again with Latin and comparisons are made.

Re-read this whole thread. DCI families are not trashing other schools. Many provided reasons why they chose DCI. I would not call that boosting. Then there is pushback from non- DCI families and discussion goes from there.

Now there are 2 DCI families on here who are not happy with the school and their reasons why it doesn’t work for their kid and valid.

What I find most interesting is that it’s crickets from Walls families. The only positive given is the kids. Nothing else and why this whole thread is focused on DCI.

Lastly, there are not many good high schools for EOTP families. I agree the only ones that are decent are Walls, Latin, and Basis. Now there is also DCI which is good for this side of town. We need more good high schools.

What is not good is that DCPS is trying to dismantle a big reason why Walls is a decent school. Those in DCPS should push back on this if they don’t want families to continue leaving DCPS and going to charters. That is the bigger issue and elephant in the room here.

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. This has mostly been someone(s) from DCI trashing other schools.

+1. One of the PPs responded to a Latin post with “You are such a loser.” And other post basically called kids who chose Latin immersion failures. I’m a DCI parent and find this thread so bizarre. Also seems like some of the DCI posters don’t actually have a kid there yet so I don’t even know how they can comment on anything DCi.

I think that was the same person who called Latin "mediocre" and was only for people who had no other options. I don't recall anyone saying such vicious things about DCI.

The criticism was so ridiculous I can only assume she is on the Latin waitlist, hoping to scare her way to the top.

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Anonymous wrote:There are a couple of people in DC with kids at both Latin and DCI, or at both Walls and DCI, etc. That tells you that there isn't one objectively best school for every kid. Sometimes it depends on the kid, on the parents' values, on the kid's preferences, etc.

For high school especially, you want your kid to feel like they belong at their school and to be engaged and motivated.

NP and I’ve known a few families with one Walls kid and one DCI kid. It was all a situation where one kid got into Walls and thr other didn’t. It wasn’t really the family’s choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What I've learned is that DCI parents are at the peak point of boosterism and they will trash all the other options (Walls, Latin and BASIS) to justify the choice or maybe keep people at DCI rather than moving to "build a cohort."

Why can't all four of those high schools be good options?

Really, because after reading the thread, what I see is that there are actual DCI families who post things they think are good or great about the school.

Then posters who have no kids at the school, who I’m assuming are a lot of Walls families, push back about not tracking in all subjects (which no school in DC has), how their IB scores are not in the high 30’s when they are not private and don’t self select.

Some DCI families state they chose the school over Latin or Walls, they are called trolls repeatedly. Then someone, presumably from Latin, brings up test scores again with Latin and comparisons are made.

Re-read this whole thread. DCI families are not trashing other schools. Many provided reasons why they chose DCI. I would not call that boosting. Then there is pushback from non- DCI families and discussion goes from there.

Now there are 2 DCI families on here who are not happy with the school and their reasons why it doesn’t work for their kid and valid.

What I find most interesting is that it’s crickets from Walls families. The only positive given is the kids. Nothing else and why this whole thread is focused on DCI.

Lastly, there are not many good high schools for EOTP families. I agree the only ones that are decent are Walls, Latin, and Basis. Now there is also DCI which is good for this side of town. We need more good high schools.

What is not good is that DCPS is trying to dismantle a big reason why Walls is a decent school. Those in DCPS should push back on this if they don’t want families to continue leaving DCPS and going to charters. That is the bigger issue and elephant in the room here.

I don't think you're reading the same thread I am. This has mostly been someone(s) from DCI trashing other schools.

+1. One of the PPs responded to a Latin post with “You are such a loser.” And other post basically called kids who chose Latin immersion failures. I’m a DCI parent and find this thread so bizarre. Also seems like some of the DCI posters don’t actually have a kid there yet so I don’t even know how they can comment on anything DCi.

You were rightly called a loser and please stop pretending to be other posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

LOL. There's 501 kids on the waitlist for fifth grade at Latin 2nd Street. That's for 71 seats. Show me another school in DC that has seven kids on the waitlist for every available seat. This year, Latin has made a grand total of five waitlist offers.

You are such a loser. Imagine going so hard for a mediocre middle school. I bet people in Bethesda or nova are laughing at you. I am and I think Latin is a decent option. Calm down.

Eh, if you're going to say a bunch of things that are totally wrong, you shouldn't be surprised when people correct your mistakes.

I only commented on this because you’re so aggressive and hostile and pro Latin for a middle school that is by all metrics a good not great choice. Do you know how hard people in the suburbs laugh at people like you? It’s embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

LOL. There's 501 kids on the waitlist for fifth grade at Latin 2nd Street. That's for 71 seats. Show me another school in DC that has seven kids on the waitlist for every available seat. This year, Latin has made a grand total of five waitlist offers.

You are such a loser. Imagine going so hard for a mediocre middle school. I bet people in Bethesda or nova are laughing at you. I am and I think Latin is a decent option. Calm down.

Eh, if you're going to say a bunch of things that are totally wrong, you shouldn't be surprised when people correct your mistakes.

I only commented on this because you’re so aggressive and hostile and pro Latin for a middle school that is by all metrics a good not great choice. Do you know how hard people in the suburbs laugh at people like you? It’s embarrassing.

What’s embarrassing is a grown person who can’t have a remotely civil conversation and resorts to name calling. I really hope you’re not a member of the parent community at DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

LOL. There's 501 kids on the waitlist for fifth grade at Latin 2nd Street. That's for 71 seats. Show me another school in DC that has seven kids on the waitlist for every available seat. This year, Latin has made a grand total of five waitlist offers.

You are such a loser. Imagine going so hard for a mediocre middle school. I bet people in Bethesda or nova are laughing at you. I am and I think Latin is a decent option. Calm down.

Eh, if you're going to say a bunch of things that are totally wrong, you shouldn't be surprised when people correct your mistakes.

I only commented on this because you’re so aggressive and hostile and pro Latin for a middle school that is by all metrics a good not great choice. Do you know how hard people in the suburbs laugh at people like you? It’s embarrassing.

The DC government says 91 percent of Latin middle schools are meeting or exceeding expectations on ELA. That's the highest in the city. 82 percent of Latin middle schools are meeting or exceeding expectations on math. That's the second highest in the city (one percentage point behind Deal).

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Anonymous wrote:Sweeping statement bearing little relationship to reality. Who cares about CAPE scores at DCI when middle school kids can take advanced math and get grouped in science and social studies classes with high achievers? In the high school, classes are tracked. We can't afford a private, didn't get into BASIS or a Latin and don't want to move, so we make the best of the situation.

If the classes are tracked, and you have a big enough cohort to stay advanced, then I agree, CAPE scores are irrelevant.

Bingo.


I would also add that you need to compare apples to apples.

As said in this thread, DCI has 20 times more ELL and SPED. If Latin had similar kids, numbers would be very different

Apples to apples, you say? Do you always just make sh*t up?

1. There are not lots more SPEDs at DCI than Latin. Not sure why you think DCI would attract more SPEDs than Latin. Plus, don't SPED kids typically get extra time on CAPE? Why would you think that there are lots more at DCI than Latin, and why do you think that they do worse on standardized tests with accommodations?

2. There are more ELL at DCI than Latin for obvious reasons. However, there are about 4 or 5 times more ELL at DCI, not 20 times as you claim. Moreover, if you look at ACCESS test results, the ELL at Latin do better than DCI. In the last testing cycle, 17% of ELL at Latin tested proficient compared to 5% at DCI. So, Latin does a better job teaching English to ELL than DCI.

3. Hopefully, kids at DCI speak pretty good English by 10th grade. However, if you look at CAPE results for 10th grade, 63.8% of DCI students are below grade level in ELA.

4. Looking at math in 10th grade, 93.7% of DCI students are below grade level in math. And math doesn't require English fluency.

What is this crazy word salad? DCI does have more English learners, more at risk students and more special ed students. I don’t think that makes it easier for them to do well on the CAPE or whatever.

Not sure where this insecurity is coming from. If you’re happy at Latin relax.

+1. I’m the PP above and that 20 times was an error. That data was for Walls. But yes, DCI has significantly more SPED and ELL than Latin. The data is there in the DC report card as my source.

You sound ignorant about SPED. Just because some have time accommodations on testing does not make it an even playing field for all SPED students and miraculously they perform just as well as a non-SPED kid. Please educate yourself.

CAPE is not the best test to assess a school if there is tracking as another poster above pointed out. I would argue you should look at SAT results and you will see that DCI and Latin are similar although DCI has significantly more ELL and SPED.

DCI boosters never give up. Just keep making excuses!

lol

+1. Seems to be a cult.

So 2 posters above can’t refute facts and so call people posting a booster. Lots of credibility in your statements.

Here are actual numbers and data. I have averaged out the middle and high school for Latin since DCI is not broken down into middle and high school

LATIN

ELL 8.5%
SPED 13%

DCI

ELL 20.8%
SPED 20.5%

So DCI has whooping 2.5 times more ELL and 60% more SPED.

Now let’s look also to at risk LATIN 10%, DCI 17.2%., so about 70% more.


Yet SAT scores both scores pretty similar. Looks to me like DCI has much tougher study body to educate and doing just as well.

Lastly if kids are taking AP Calculus as early as 10th grade then I would not rely on math CAPE. You have small group of 10th graders, larger group of 11th graders, and even larger group of 12th graders who might not be taking CAPE at all. This has been discussed numerous times that if a school offers very advance math, then CAPE is not truly reflective of the student body since many kids are not taking it.

This is all fine, but the post is about DCI and Walls. Not sure why we need this Latin info. DCI and Latin are completely different schools and will attract different types of kids. But again, this info is not helpful to OP since they asked about DCI and Wallls. There are a lot of very defensive DCI posters here.

Why would you say DCI and Latin attract different types of kids? The schools aren’t clones, but the kids aren’t that different. We just picked Latin over DCI and it was a difficult choice.

DCI and Latin are very different schools with very different course offerings, extracurriculars and educational models. DCI is a lot bigger and relies on tech a lot. Not all kids can handle that or families want that. My oldest is at DCI middle and it felt very sink or swim which is fine for kids that can handle it. We would have chosen Latin if they had gotten a spot because it would have been a better fit for our kid.

NP. DCI isn’t that big. There is 200-260 kids in each grade so 600-700 kids in the middle school.

The 2 families I know that chose Latin over DCI was because their kid needed a small school and more teacher attention due to various reasons.

We chose DCI over Latin because there much more course offerings, more tracking, more advance language offerings, and more EC, clubs, and sport offerings. The facilities is also much better.
In addition, we really like the IB diploma option and opportunities for colleges abroad.

Ok, well, Latin barely takes anyone off their massive waitlist because so few people turn them down. It’s surprising and seems statistically unlikely that you would know of three examples.

Yes there is 3 of us. I turned it down so prove that the waitlist moved. Just because you know no one doesn’t mean that other people can’t know someone.

Yes, people with options turn them down. The people who don’t have options don’t.

That is the point of this whole thread and discussion is feeder families and families at DCI have options and are considering such, if that is Walls, Latin, or whatever school.

If that doesn’t pertain to you, feel free to move on.

You're not very good at lying.

PP here. Not lying at all. Doesn’t matter to me if you don’t want to believe the truth.

But hey, feel free to be in your echo chamber of denial……

LOL. There's 501 kids on the waitlist for fifth grade at Latin 2nd Street. That's for 71 seats. Show me another school in DC that has seven kids on the waitlist for every available seat. This year, Latin has made a grand total of five waitlist offers.

You are such a loser. Imagine going so hard for a mediocre middle school. I bet people in Bethesda or nova are laughing at you. I am and I think Latin is a decent option. Calm down.

Eh, if you're going to say a bunch of things that are totally wrong, you shouldn't be surprised when people correct your mistakes.

I only commented on this because you’re so aggressive and hostile and pro Latin for a middle school that is by all metrics a good not great choice. Do you know how hard people in the suburbs laugh at people like you? It’s embarrassing.

Grow up.