Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

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Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

Only part that makes sense is that triangle. Not stone mill not lakewood not Dufief not Travilah

That part of neighborhood should redrawn to crown hs. Other than that leave the Wootton alone, plus why would they put wayside into Wootton

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

Only part that makes sense is that triangle. Not stone mill not lakewood not Dufief not Travilah

That part of neighborhood should redrawn to crown hs. Other than that leave the Wootton alone, plus why would they put wayside into Wootton

Because Churchill is overcapacity.

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

Only part that makes sense is that triangle. Not stone mill not lakewood not Dufief not Travilah

That part of neighborhood should redrawn to crown hs. Other than that leave the Wootton alone, plus why would they put wayside into Wootton

Because Churchill is overcapacity.

Not too much. If none of these families want to move, why force them

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I've been reading 22 pages of people trying to find an argument for the option that would benefit themselves. Let's be all honest. This is not about what is fair or what is good for the community, county, or anything else. Everyone has his/her own interest in mind. It is not possible to please everyone. I think MCPS did their best to come up with 4 reasonable options. I hope they converge into one of them without dragging this process for too long and move onto other things that require immediate attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

Only part that makes sense is that triangle. Not stone mill not lakewood not Dufief not Travilah

That part of neighborhood should redrawn to crown hs. Other than that leave the Wootton alone, plus why would they put wayside into Wootton

Because Churchill is overcapacity.

Not too much. If none of these families want to move, why force them

that's not how boundary changes work.

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Anonymous wrote:Suddenly, I feel like QO high school is shining great among all 4 options. It is within walking distance, no busing and kids stay together from ES/MS.

Great as long as you are not in Kentlands.

why

Busing the Kentlands to Gaithersburg or Crown is just absurd. Not that I’m not enjoying the maga there whose tiny racist brain cells are exploding about these new boundaries but because they are fiscally irresponsible of the county and stupid. Kentlands walks to QO there is no reality sending them to the other HS makes sense logistically or fiscally.

As for Dufief yes

As for Stonemill out of W again no because W is already under enrolled. And the mapping logic makes no sense either.

They will do the worst possible senerio people get ready for major bussing.

You realize parts of dufief, stone mill and Travilah of basically equidistant to Wootton? And Dufief has maybe 35 kids per grade TOTAL. Dufief is part of the Wootton community, has been since forever. They don’t want to move schools. Moving them doesn’t help anything. Wootton is under enrolled, as you said. Just leave dufief alone.

How about just leaving Wootton alone. Why does MCPS create 4 options just to generate fights between different ES within Wootton? That’s pure evil and community dividing. Crown is built to alleviate overcrowding of other schools and Wootton is not overcrowded. None of the four options change diversity of any school so just leave Wootton alone. Don’t make the poorer neighborhoods in Wootton to pay the price just to satisfy this diversity game.

In this case, which school neighborhood should zone to Crown HS?

Crown neighborhood, QO, RM, whatever left is overcrowded

Neighborhoods near Crown are currently zoned for Wootton. Makes sense to include it.

Only part that makes sense is that triangle. Not stone mill not lakewood not Dufief not Travilah

That part of neighborhood should redrawn to crown hs. Other than that leave the Wootton alone, plus why would they put wayside into Wootton

Because Churchill is overcapacity.

Not too much. If none of these families want to move, why force them

300 students over capacity is too much. That's 10 classrooms of students.

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Anonymous wrote:both of these studies especially Crown are making me think that one was a waste of money. It’d have been far better to devote the $150M or whatever was spent on Crown into spending it on an addition at each HS with a need. Spending 25M x 6 prevents this from becoming a debacle.

Additionally from an ongoing operational cost standpoint, far more efficient to have fewer but larger schools so long as we’re not taking about 3000+ high schools everywhere.

Think of all the wasted staff to run the school. Economics of having 2 less principals, 6 less assistant principals, 2 less biz managers, etc not to mention the facility upkeep. Feels like way more inefficient.

Large schools defy research about their detrimental effects on students.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been reading 22 pages of people trying to find an argument for the option that would benefit themselves. Let's be all honest. This is not about what is fair or what is good for the community, county, or anything else. Everyone has his/her own interest in mind. It is not possible to please everyone. I think MCPS did their best to come up with 4 reasonable options. I hope they converge into one of them without dragging this process for too long and move onto other things that require immediate attention.

I agree totally.

I’ll also add that, possibly due to DCUM demographics, it doesn’t seem like there’s anyone advocating for kids at schools with higher percentage of FARMS gets balanced out. That IS in the interest of at least some families in these boundaries, whether or not it’s represented on DCUM. I personally feel that it’s also in the interest of the greater good (and I have a non FARMS kid at an elementary with a high FARMS population). I understand, however, that many parents here do not want FARMS better balanced. That is, of course their right, but it would be nice to see it at least occasionally acknowledged.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been reading 22 pages of people trying to find an argument for the option that would benefit themselves. Let's be all honest. This is not about what is fair or what is good for the community, county, or anything else. Everyone has his/her own interest in mind. It is not possible to please everyone. I think MCPS did their best to come up with 4 reasonable options. I hope they converge into one of them without dragging this process for too long and move onto other things that require immediate attention.

No they are not reasonable from a logistics or financial standpoint.

MCPS failed with every single one of these options.

There is no reason to do most of these moves.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been reading 22 pages of people trying to find an argument for the option that would benefit themselves. Let's be all honest. This is not about what is fair or what is good for the community, county, or anything else. Everyone has his/her own interest in mind. It is not possible to please everyone. I think MCPS did their best to come up with 4 reasonable options. I hope they converge into one of them without dragging this process for too long and move onto other things that require immediate attention.

No they are not reasonable from a logistics or financial standpoint.

MCPS failed with every single one of these options.

There is no reason to do most of these moves.

A new school is opening. Moves must be done. Show us the moves you would make.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been reading 22 pages of people trying to find an argument for the option that would benefit themselves. Let's be all honest. This is not about what is fair or what is good for the community, county, or anything else. Everyone has his/her own interest in mind. It is not possible to please everyone. I think MCPS did their best to come up with 4 reasonable options. I hope they converge into one of them without dragging this process for too long and move onto other things that require immediate attention.

These 4 options are absurd, far from reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:After a few clicks, I see that we are zoned for RM now, and under no option is that changing. Being in walk zone that makes sense. So, my only responsibility is to pop some popcorn and season it right and watch the school board members try to out-woke each other for the next 6 months changing up the school zones. I cant wait to hear the feedback on Woodward-3. To be honest even some of the RM options are islanding and nonsensical. But I dont have a dog in this hunt.

Same here. I have a student in RM now and the school is totally overcrowded, none of the options really address that. IMHO splitting Ritchie Park makes the most sense for RM cluster (Options 2 and 4).
On a separate note, it is impossible to actually believe MCPS tables, when you look at utilization and and other percentages in HS impact tables, RM has exactly the same numbers of students and utilization percentages as Gaithersburg HS, despite being different sizes. Something is off there. As a veteran of Bayard Rustin study, in my experience MCPS numbers/tables are only correct or look at right data about only half of the time.

.Your opinion is pretty terrible. Splitting Ritchie Park is absolutely the worst, especially Option 2! The school doesn't even have 400 kids. It's like 60 per grade. When you split it, the southern portion probably has about half the students, so, 30 per grade. You take those 30 kids and put them in Cabin John MS, where they only know the 60 kids from the older grades that came in from RPES. SO they don't even know 10% of their schoolmates. Then they get to know them over a couple years only to be moved out again as a group of 30 to RM, where they join the rest of the current cluster that has a close-knit relationship with each other. In that group of 2000, they only know 120 of the kids, 6%!

The cabin john assignment of option 2 for RPES will lead to the exclusion of RPES-boundary students from many community activities and clubs that were already formed from neighborhood kids

Cold Spring ES currently have split articulation back to Wootton HS after going to Cabin John MS. Are these kids excluded from community activities and clubs when they go to Wootton?

Yes, actually. Competition things for stuff like robotics leagues that span through high school will prefer to keep the same kids together. Plus, the split articulation of Cold Spring to CJMS to Wooton is part of a larger group. SO the Cold Spring students move AS A LARGER GROUP with others in CJMS to Wootton, so it isn't like they go to Wootton knowing nobody but their original Cold Spring group. Also, I personally know of bullying that occurs at CJMS where the kids who go to Churchill bully the ones who go to Wootton as inferior.

That doesn't seem to stop people from buying into the Cold Spring neighborhood, though, where home values are $1.2mil+. Apparently, even with the split articulation, homebuyers prefer that to, say, buying into the next neighborhood that goes to RM where there is currently no split articulation.

Good point.

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I wonder would that be easier if using a compass to draw a circle using new crown HS at center point on a map, and the same applies to other HS clusters to decide which neighborhood are closer to which HS cluster should go there.

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I'm looking at the Google maps for the walking route from the edge of a walking zone to Crown High School, so about 2 miles. Which by the way, Google maps has some directions to cross some busy streets, like Key West Ave a block Great Seneca Highway, at intersections with no traffic lights or crosswalks.

And it says the walk is about 45 minutes. Do students at the far edge of a walking zone really walk 45 minutes to and from school each day?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at the Google maps for the walking route from the edge of a walking zone to Crown High School, so about 2 miles. Which by the way, Google maps has some directions to cross some busy streets, like Key West Ave a block Great Seneca Highway, at intersections with no traffic lights or crosswalks.

And it says the walk is about 45 minutes. Do students at the far edge of a walking zone really walk 45 minutes to and from school each day?

2miles walking is crazy. Nobody walks 45 min to school one way. It’s just an excuse for MCPS to not provide bus for some neighborhoods.