Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

I have no doubt that those funds can go to another university which isn’t stuffed with a 97% leftist faculty.

Cal tech faculty has one God, science and engineering. They do not worship at the altar of woke.

And Caltech doesn't discriminate against Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

I have no doubt that those funds can go to another university which isn’t stuffed with a 97% leftist faculty.

Cal tech faculty has one God, science and engineering. They do not worship at the altar of woke.

By all means, survey the faculty of Caltech and MIT and see what percentage of them support Trump. I'm willing to wager you'll be very disappointed.

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Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

They haven't released all their admissions data to the general public. But what days we have shows pretty dramatic racial discrimination. Why are you giving them a pass from stuff they were doing just a few years ago?

Because it wasn't illegal then. 37% Asian for the class of '28 and you're still claiming they are racist against Asians? By the way, most of the Asians who work and study at top institutions, and there are a lot of us, are firmly anti-Trump, because we know better than to think he is on our side.

It was always illegal. The opinion says explicitly:

"For the reasons provided above, the Harvard and UNC admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful endpoints. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today. "

It was never legal to discriminate like that.

I don't like trump and I didn't think he is on our side. But I think Harvard was discriminating against Asians and it's weird that you have so much trouble admitting this very obvious fact.

Also, you are either lying or stupid if you are arguing that being overrepresented means you aren't being discriminated against.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

Right. That's why we have elections. Trump won the last election. In no small part because people were turned off to the liberal elite messaging, the racial discrimination against white and asians, the never ending stream of woke ideology coming out of places like Harvard.

If I have learned one thing in the past couple of years is all the same people who say they can't stand racism against Asians had no problem with COVID epithets and violence against Asians and hate meritocracy when Asians actually thrive.

The same people who cry about anti semitism at universities embrace salutes and white supremacists like Stephen miller.

So no...no one is taking you any seriously any more. You've rung a false tune on that bell too many times.

We all who were attacking Asians during Covid, and it wasn’t Trump supporters.

Same with antisemitism. We’ve all seen outright hate and violence the last 1.5 years and it wasn’t coming from MAGA.

Some officers working the nation’s capital during the failed insurrection might disagree about MAGA’s non-violence.

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

I have no doubt that those funds can go to another university which isn’t stuffed with a 97% leftist faculty.

Cal tech faculty has one God, science and engineering. They do not worship at the altar of woke.

By all means, survey the faculty of Caltech and MIT and see what percentage of them support Trump. I'm willing to wager you'll be very disappointed.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

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People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

It is the government's responsibility to uphold civil rights and non-discrimination laws. Call it "control" if you want - but it's controlling fairness.
The Trump administration's demands work against civil rights and are controlling ideology they agree with and eliminating opposing views. That is not appropriate government "control."
It isn't federal regulations or government policies that are to blame if students with more conservative views don't feel comfortable expressing those views on their campus, or similarly employees in a company. That's the result of the school and the company's chosen practices.
Is Trump going after Liberty University for being too conservative or too Christian?

Trump administration is demanding as one of several conditions that Harvard stop discriminating against Asians and Harvard said no. Very simple.

Half the country thinks it’s just swell to discriminate against those uppity Asian Americans. How dare they quote the plain English of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

You know that Trump and MAGA do not like the Asian infiltration of the tech industry, right? And that many cannot even distinguish between foreign Asians and Asian-Americans? For crying out loud, open your eyes and turn on your brain.

So just ignore the anti Asian racial discrimination?

One racist at a time. If Harvard is ever in the position to deal a blow to white supremacy, we will support it. But right now Trump is in a position to attach real consequences to racially discriminating against Asians. Sure the academic disruption is unfortunate but how important would you think the disruption was of it was attaching consequences to anti black discrimination or anti Hispanic discrimination?

It's NOT racial discrimination. Having a perfect GPA, and a perfect SAT doesn't EARN you a spot at Harvard, which you are then being denied. This isn't Beijing University. This isn't Moscow State University. We don't have a national university or a national placement test where there might be such specific admissions standards. Each university is allowed to set whatever admissions criteria they like and they are allowed to decide that extracurriculars or whatever are part of that package. You don't get to decide as the parent of a child what criteria you think they should emphasize. Find another school where your child fits the profile and where the profile emphasizes what you think it should emphasize.

Asians had better extracurriculars. Better recommendations. Better everything. The one area they dropped was personal score. Things like honesty integrity character likability.

The alumni interviewers have Asians the same personal score as other races. The admissions office that never met the applicants ignored those alumni interview scores and gave Asians lower personal scores than Whites. White got lower personal scores than Hispanics. Hispanics got lower personal scores than Blacks. And this accounted for the difference.

So either Asians actually had substantially less integrity honesty character and likability than black applicants but in a way that only admissions officers that never met them could tell. Or they were being discriminated against.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

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People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

It is the government's responsibility to uphold civil rights and non-discrimination laws. Call it "control" if you want - but it's controlling fairness.
The Trump administration's demands work against civil rights and are controlling ideology they agree with and eliminating opposing views. That is not appropriate government "control."
It isn't federal regulations or government policies that are to blame if students with more conservative views don't feel comfortable expressing those views on their campus, or similarly employees in a company. That's the result of the school and the company's chosen practices.
Is Trump going after Liberty University for being too conservative or too Christian?

Trump administration is demanding as one of several conditions that Harvard stop discriminating against Asians and Harvard said no. Very simple.

No, the letter is saying a bunch more. If that’s all the letter said it would be a normal case of “no we didn’t” vs “yes you did” settled in court. The letter wants a bunch of crazy stuff, the most outrageous being the idea the gov gets to oversee hiring and admissions to comply with ideological diversity as they see fit.

The problem isn’t the idea of ideological diversity, which is wonderful. The problem is the gov shouldn’t police thought in academia.

Neither should academia police it.

No, they shouldn’t, but that’s not what they have tried to do. It might seem like it happens occasionally when we read about something silly like a prof getting canceled by peers, but that’s not an institutional intention, and that’s what lawsuits are intended to remedy. The letter to Harvard is talking about the gov literally overseeing future hires and admits based on ideology. The scale and institutional intent are different here.

Academia isn’t perfect, but blowing up their autonomy is out of proportion to its problems. It also ignores a central tenet of conservatism: don’t assume all change is good, esp for systems that are mostly working. Our universities are (were?) the envy of the world and fueled generations of innovation and global economic leadership. This is high risk/low reward behavior.

This is FAFO

Do you really think having deloitte or whomever come in and do an 'ideological audit' of the faculty and then appoint people who meet these ideological diversity criteria is doing to be the best solution? What makes you think that these 'consultants' are even gong to understand what goes into a hiring decision? They're going to appoint their friends and then half of your faculty is going to consist of grifters and really old retirees who have 'always wanted to teach at Harvard' and probably Dr. Oz and the head of the Worldwide Wrestling Federation and someone who once played a professor on a TV show. Things that other people worked really hard to earn handed out like candy to friends of Trump. People with no publications swanning around and calling themselves Professor. Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

FAFO is rarely optimal. It's just consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

You truly do not get it. There's a lot more at stake than Harvard. Colleges like Hillsdale are fine because they don't do cutting edge research that costs millions of dollars year in and year out. You are supporting the tactics of an authoritarian regime that is telling scholars and students what and how they should think, and allowing the mobs to take out people with whom you disagree. If you are in favor of these cuts because you are fearful of antisemitism or you think that Harvard is full of antisemites, you are foolish. Putin and Orban, and Mao all used these oppressive tactics. You're siding with the Devil, who will have no scruples turning on Jews when convenient.

Exactly this. Jews have just become a convenient excuse for repression and censorship by budding fascists and their right-wing toadies.

I want to see more Jews (I am Jewish) speak out about this. Stop using the historic hatred of Jews as a tool in fascism! I want nothing to do with this.

Also the way these people conflate anti-semitism with opposition to the current Israeli government does not in any way make me, a Jew, feel safer. I also oppose the actions of the current Israeli government. If I speak out about that, am I an anti-Semite?

We need to stop this.

I can't tell you how many Jewish people I know who believe this. You aren't allowed to saying ANYTHING negative about Israel ever.

+1. I am horrified by my otherwise progressive, liberal Jewish friends (even those who went to law school!) who would rather squelch free speech and academic freedom than have to tolerate criticism of Israel, or have their children be exposed to this on college campuses. They cannot comprehend intellectually the distinction between criticism of Israel's actions and antisemitism, even though there are tens of thousands of Israeli Jews who are publicly protesting against Netanyahu and the ongoing war in Gaza. It's short-sighted at best. The problem, of course, is that accepting the immediate relief offered by Trump's strong-arming of colleges comes with a very, very high price tag. Trump is not out to protect the Jews; he's courting the favor of White evangelical Christians who believe that they need to support Jews to hasten the second coming of Christ. When that happens, Jews who have not accepted Christ as their savior will be annihilated, which should strike terror in every Jew.

Because it comes from the same will spring as antisemitism. No other country has been held to the impossible standard that Israel has been held to. That comes from antisemitism.

Israel has declared war on Hamas. Their conduct of this war is no worse than our prosecution of the war in Afghanistan or Iraq. No worse than any number of other wars.

The Japanese killed 2000 at Pearl harbor. We proceeded to kill 2 million Japanese including civilian casualties in two atomic explosions. This war ends the moment Hamas unconditionally surrender.

Do not compare what the US did to what Israel is doing. Israel had kill over 200 Palestinians before Oct 7. Israel commits an Oct 7 every year. Now Israel is suppressing American in the US. In your comparison Israel is Japan not the US.

Meh. That's your opinion. This is war. A war that Hamas started. FAFO.

Hamas did not start this. Israel was created using violence in 1948.

Who started the violence in 1948? Israel was pretty happy to just have a country and was hoping everyone would just let them be. They had to fight off a seven nation army.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

You truly do not get it. There's a lot more at stake than Harvard. Colleges like Hillsdale are fine because they don't do cutting edge research that costs millions of dollars year in and year out. You are supporting the tactics of an authoritarian regime that is telling scholars and students what and how they should think, and allowing the mobs to take out people with whom you disagree. If you are in favor of these cuts because you are fearful of antisemitism or you think that Harvard is full of antisemites, you are foolish. Putin and Orban, and Mao all used these oppressive tactics. You're siding with the Devil, who will have no scruples turning on Jews when convenient.

Exactly this. Jews have just become a convenient excuse for repression and censorship by budding fascists and their right-wing toadies.

I want to see more Jews (I am Jewish) speak out about this. Stop using the historic hatred of Jews as a tool in fascism! I want nothing to do with this.

Also the way these people conflate anti-semitism with opposition to the current Israeli government does not in any way make me, a Jew, feel safer. I also oppose the actions of the current Israeli government. If I speak out about that, am I an anti-Semite?

We need to stop this.

I can't tell you how many Jewish people I know who believe this. You aren't allowed to saying ANYTHING negative about Israel ever.

+1. I am horrified by my otherwise progressive, liberal Jewish friends (even those who went to law school!) who would rather squelch free speech and academic freedom than have to tolerate criticism of Israel, or have their children be exposed to this on college campuses. They cannot comprehend intellectually the distinction between criticism of Israel's actions and antisemitism, even though there are tens of thousands of Israeli Jews who are publicly protesting against Netanyahu and the ongoing war in Gaza. It's short-sighted at best. The problem, of course, is that accepting the immediate relief offered by Trump's strong-arming of colleges comes with a very, very high price tag. Trump is not out to protect the Jews; he's courting the favor of White evangelical Christians who believe that they need to support Jews to hasten the second coming of Christ. When that happens, Jews who have not accepted Christ as their savior will be annihilated, which should strike terror in every Jew.

Because it comes from the same will spring as antisemitism. No other country has been held to the impossible standard that Israel has been held to. That comes from antisemitism.

Israel has declared war on Hamas. Their conduct of this war is no worse than our prosecution of the war in Afghanistan or Iraq. No worse than any number of other wars.

The Japanese killed 2000 at Pearl harbor. We proceeded to kill 2 million Japanese including civilian casualties in two atomic explosions. This war ends the moment Hamas unconditionally surrender.

So many differences… where to start?

90% of the homes in Gaza are destroyed. 100% of the population now lives in poverty. These are multiples worse than Japan after WW2.

The UN’s view was that Israel has been occupying Gaza and controlling its borders and flow of resources and commerce for decades. This led to a poverty level of 80% and a food insecurity level of 64% by 2022, per the UN.

We embargoed and sanctioned Japan around a year before Pearl Harbor because of its military aggression on allies in Asia, but it was still one of the continent’s wealthiest nations at the outset of their attack.

We helped Japan rebuild. Last I heard Trump wants to seize control of Gaza and develop it, and wants the Palestinians to be forcefully migrated.

They had at least 3 opportunities for their own state. They first time, they invaded a newly formed Israel, the second time they walked away from a deal brokered by Clinton and the third time they walked away from talks with Israel and elected Hamas. So now it's war and they deserve whatever date they had in store for the Jews. They were going to drive the Jews out, why is it so bad that he's would return the favor? At least the Palestinians have someplace nearby to go. Where would Jews go?

That’s a false choice. The Israelis of course have a home that they have real control over. The Palestinians in Gaza do not, and have not for over a generation. The history is complex and both sides have legitimate complaints of the other (not to mention other involved parties), but destroying all the homes of a civilian population violates the Geneva Convention. So does a forced migration. Removing the ruling party (Hamas) is of course appropriate but destroying what’s left of a civilization’s ties to a region that goes back 5000 years is a different matter.

The war ends as soon as Hamas unconditionally surrender. Israel is the only country that is expected to surrender for winning a war.

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Anonymous wrote:All the people against Harvard - if you get cancer will you be seeking the latest treatments and research? I don’t understand why you’d want to disrupt our nation’s most amazing asset (or research industry).

Perhaps there is an ideological cancer they are more urgently concerned about

I have no doubt that those funds can go to another university which isn’t stuffed with a 97% leftist faculty.

Cal tech faculty has one God, science and engineering. They do not worship at the altar of woke.

By all means, survey the faculty of Caltech and MIT and see what percentage of them support Trump. I'm willing to wager you'll be very disappointed.

I didn't support Trump either. But Harvard had this coming and nobody gives a shit that they are suffering consequences. We all just want that research to continue. At caltech. At u pitt. At UIUC. At Ohio State. There are great flagship state schools across the country that doesn't racially discriminate or use legacy preferences that will hire those researchers to do exactly what they are doing at Harvard but without the woke police state

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Anonymous wrote:Tax exempt status next.

It's absurd the Harvard pays no taxes and gets $9B of federal money. Meanwhile their class sizes remain tiny, while they talk about equity and privilege, and play racial discrimination games where a black student has 10x the odds of getting in than an Asian American student with similar stats across all achievement deciles.

Please share a post SCOTUS ruling source for that statistic.

I happen to disfavor affirmative action too, but am often surprised how many rail against that while fine with athletic recruiting. They have the highest admit rates of all, and these are supposed to be academic institutions. Some people are just born more athletic; an average person can’t get recruited with just hard work the way they can get good grades or test scores with just hard work.

They haven't released all their admissions data to the general public. But what days we have shows pretty dramatic racial discrimination. Why are you giving them a pass from stuff they were doing just a few years ago?

Because it wasn't illegal then. 37% Asian for the class of '28 and you're still claiming they are racist against Asians? By the way, most of the Asians who work and study at top institutions, and there are a lot of us, are firmly anti-Trump, because we know better than to think he is on our side.

It was always illegal. The opinion says explicitly:

"For the reasons provided above, the Harvard and UNC admissions programs cannot be reconciled with the guarantees of the Equal Protection Clause. Both programs lack sufficiently focused and measurable objectives warranting the use of race, unavoidably employ race in a negative manner, involve racial stereotyping, and lack meaningful endpoints. We have never permitted admissions programs to work in that way, and we will not do so today. "

It was never legal to discriminate like that.

I don't like trump and I didn't think he is on our side. But I think Harvard was discriminating against Asians and it's weird that you have so much trouble admitting this very obvious fact.

Also, you are either lying or stupid if you are arguing that being overrepresented means you aren't being discriminated against.

I'm not even in favor of race-based affirmative action, though I can understand why others argue for it. However, it is one thing to be in favor of race-blind admissions, and an entirely different thing to get behind a dictator-wanna-be who wants to clamp down on free speech, defund science, start tariff wars, alienate us from former world allies, and impose various other ill-informed and anti-intellectual policies to ruin this country. You have to be delusional to believe that what MAGA is doing is in the interest of Asian Americans, or in the interests of the country at large. Moreover, you have to be immoral to support an administration who deports an innocent man without cause and sends him to a brutal foreign prison. And then even, though it was clearly done in error, said administration doubles down and refuse to bring him back. Are you really so fixated on the fact that it was harder for Asians to get into Harvard that you are willing to approve of what this guy is doing to ruin a democracy?

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

Right. That's why we have elections. Trump won the last election. In no small part because people were turned off to the liberal elite messaging, the racial discrimination against white and asians, the never ending stream of woke ideology coming out of places like Harvard.

If I have learned one thing in the past couple of years is all the same people who say they can't stand racism against Asians had no problem with COVID epithets and violence against Asians and hate meritocracy when Asians actually thrive.

The same people who cry about anti semitism at universities embrace salutes and white supremacists like Stephen miller.

So no...no one is taking you any seriously any more. You've rung a false tune on that bell too many times.

We all who were attacking Asians during Covid, and it wasn’t Trump supporters.

Same with antisemitism. We’ve all seen outright hate and violence the last 1.5 years and it wasn’t coming from MAGA.

Some officers working the nation’s capital during the failed insurrection might disagree about MAGA’s non-violence.

Yeah?

How many cops were attacked during January 6?

How many cops got attacked during BLM?

January 6th was treason but no less violent than BLM.

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Caltech comes the closest to a true meritocracy. Interestingly, the profs are currently far more concerned with athletic admission boosts than racial, as there’s a high percentage of athletes at a school of 1000.

But even at Caltech I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some differences difference based on sex, given there’s more than double the number of male applicants but the student population is 54% male. So, is that an ok exception? If so, how different from other cases? If not, do we lose something? There has always been at least a case for some form of diversity, but arguing we might as well resort to ditching democratic norms if we can’t agree where to draw the line is like burning down the house when you dislike the paint job.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

You truly do not get it. There's a lot more at stake than Harvard. Colleges like Hillsdale are fine because they don't do cutting edge research that costs millions of dollars year in and year out. You are supporting the tactics of an authoritarian regime that is telling scholars and students what and how they should think, and allowing the mobs to take out people with whom you disagree. If you are in favor of these cuts because you are fearful of antisemitism or you think that Harvard is full of antisemites, you are foolish. Putin and Orban, and Mao all used these oppressive tactics. You're siding with the Devil, who will have no scruples turning on Jews when convenient.

Exactly this. Jews have just become a convenient excuse for repression and censorship by budding fascists and their right-wing toadies.

I want to see more Jews (I am Jewish) speak out about this. Stop using the historic hatred of Jews as a tool in fascism! I want nothing to do with this.

Also the way these people conflate anti-semitism with opposition to the current Israeli government does not in any way make me, a Jew, feel safer. I also oppose the actions of the current Israeli government. If I speak out about that, am I an anti-Semite?

We need to stop this.

I can't tell you how many Jewish people I know who believe this. You aren't allowed to saying ANYTHING negative about Israel ever.

+1. I am horrified by my otherwise progressive, liberal Jewish friends (even those who went to law school!) who would rather squelch free speech and academic freedom than have to tolerate criticism of Israel, or have their children be exposed to this on college campuses. They cannot comprehend intellectually the distinction between criticism of Israel's actions and antisemitism, even though there are tens of thousands of Israeli Jews who are publicly protesting against Netanyahu and the ongoing war in Gaza. It's short-sighted at best. The problem, of course, is that accepting the immediate relief offered by Trump's strong-arming of colleges comes with a very, very high price tag. Trump is not out to protect the Jews; he's courting the favor of White evangelical Christians who believe that they need to support Jews to hasten the second coming of Christ. When that happens, Jews who have not accepted Christ as their savior will be annihilated, which should strike terror in every Jew.

Because it comes from the same will spring as antisemitism. No other country has been held to the impossible standard that Israel has been held to. That comes from antisemitism.

Israel has declared war on Hamas. Their conduct of this war is no worse than our prosecution of the war in Afghanistan or Iraq. No worse than any number of other wars.

The Japanese killed 2000 at Pearl harbor. We proceeded to kill 2 million Japanese including civilian casualties in two atomic explosions. This war ends the moment Hamas unconditionally surrender.

Do not compare what the US did to what Israel is doing. Israel had kill over 200 Palestinians before Oct 7. Israel commits an Oct 7 every year. Now Israel is suppressing American in the US. In your comparison Israel is Japan not the US.

Meh. That's your opinion. This is war. A war that Hamas started. FAFO.

Hamas did not start this. Israel was created using violence in 1948.

Who started the violence in 1948? Israel was pretty happy to just have a country and was hoping everyone would just let them be. They had to fight off a seven nation army.

Hamas started it Israel will finish it. That is a fact.

Trump is not pro Jew. Trump is pro Trump any Jew that voted for Trump is not a Jew that is also a fact.

Utter BS Trump is pro Israel he is pro dictatorships and cons and laundering monies.

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Anonymous wrote:So dumb. “No government — regardless of which party is in power — should dictate what private universities can teach, whom they can admit and hire, and which areas of study and inquiry they can pursue”’

The government isn’t saying that. No one is forcing Harvard to do anything. They have a billion dollar endowment and can do as they please.

What they can’t do is foster an educational atmosphere of harassment and expect the taxpayers to finance it.

Sounds like you skipped the letter with the Trump admin’s demands. In the second link.

I literally quoted from the article.

No one is forcing Harvard to do anything.

Harvard is throwing a hissy fit because it wants to do certain things AND get taxpayer funds.

Doesn’t work like that.

All taxpayers will never agree on anything. If the standard for receipt taxpayer funds is agreement from all taxpayers, then nothing would ever be funded from public coffers.

Right. That's why we have elections. Trump won the last election. In no small part because people were turned off to the liberal elite messaging, the racial discrimination against white and asians, the never ending stream of woke ideology coming out of places like Harvard.

If I have learned one thing in the past couple of years is all the same people who say they can't stand racism against Asians had no problem with COVID epithets and violence against Asians and hate meritocracy when Asians actually thrive.

The same people who cry about anti semitism at universities embrace salutes and white supremacists like Stephen miller.

So no...no one is taking you any seriously any more. You've rung a false tune on that bell too many times.

We all who were attacking Asians during Covid, and it wasn’t Trump supporters.

Same with antisemitism. We’ve all seen outright hate and violence the last 1.5 years and it wasn’t coming from MAGA.

Some officers working the nation’s capital during the failed insurrection might disagree about MAGA’s non-violence.

Yeah?

How many cops were attacked during January 6?

How many cops got attacked during BLM?

January 6th was treason but no less violent than BLM.

No one claimed BLM riots weren’t violent. Someone claimed MAGA hasn’t been, but only cause they narrowed the window.