Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

Presidents are only ever “held accountable” in the next election. We keep hoping the GOP will discipline Trump, or that someone will arrest him. Because we know deep down that our policies are unpopular and ineffective, and our candidates uncharismatic. We don’t believe we can win. And we amay be right. We have some baggage.

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Anonymous wrote:Which Democrat should have been 2020 and 2024 nominee? Biden did turn out to be a dead end, but was there really someone better for 2020?

The 2020 nominee should have been the individual that emerged victorious in an open, fair, and competitive primary. When party mega donors and party elites are pulling strings to get what they want, you wind up with unfit incumbents that roll over dead while fumbling an easy election victory away to an awful and weak opponent.

When the American people nominate the candidate that is most popular with the people, you wind up with two-term presidents like Clintons and Obamas. Demand better - Do better.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

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Kamala Harris and AOC and Chick Schumer are the leaders of our party. Klobuchar, Warren, Jeffries. It’s a mess. The public has soured on us. We need a serious reinvention. And even then the public will be skeptical. “Wes Moore, he’s so dynamic,” we’ll say, and the public will say, “you’re the guys who gave us senile Joe and High Heels Kamala, right? Why should we listen to you?

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

Presidents are only ever “held accountable” in the next election. We keep hoping the GOP will discipline Trump, or that someone will arrest him. Because we know deep down that our policies are unpopular and ineffective, and our candidates uncharismatic. We don’t believe we can win. And we amay be right. We have some baggage.

Exactly. Trump was held accountable for his awfulness in 2020 and then Biden was held accountable for his awfulness in 2024. The GOP will once again be held accountable for Trump's awfulness in 2028.

We are in a cycle of weakness that needs to end in 2028. No more Bidens and more importantly, no more Trumps! Do better people.

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Anonymous wrote:Kamala Harris and AOC and Chick Schumer are the leaders of our party. Klobuchar, Warren, Jeffries. It’s a mess. The public has soured on us. We need a serious reinvention. And even then the public will be skeptical. “Wes Moore, he’s so dynamic,” we’ll say, and the public will say, “you’re the guys who gave us senile Joe and High Heels Kamala, right? Why should we listen to you?

Then rearrange your deck chair.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

legitimate to who

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

legitimate to who

No one had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump to hold the most powerful position in the world until 2029. 80 year old people are not our best options to perform the most demanding job in the world. Anyone who supported the idea of Trump, at his age in 2024, being POTUS is a complete and utter idiot that has no understanding of very basic human science and/or has no clue how important and demanding the POTUS position is.

I'm really tired of having to explain this to the simpletons.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Enjoy your economic pain then!

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Anonymous wrote:408 people traveled northward through the Darien Gap in February, the lowest number since November 2020.

Some curious dates there. I wonder what changed?

I'm glad illegal immigration is down but not at the cost of literally my life savings.

Not worth it at all. The economy was good and now it's horrible.

This and we are being driven into complete chaos by a convicted felon. Good job America

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Most voters don't disagree with J6. Where are you seeing that?

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

people voted for this criminal even after what they know and saw on J6....they voted for him even after everything he said and didn't say during his campaign. This lets intelligent people know MAGA voted for hatred, racism and homophobia to be acceptable again. It certainly wasn't for a better economy or world peace.