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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis. :roll:  [/quote]

Again with the entitlement. [/quote]

How am I entitled?[/quote]

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

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[b]I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names.[/b] In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.[/quote]

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace. [/quote]

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.
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Let’s recap:

[b]A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short)[/b]: We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

[b]Transgender Poster[/b]: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

[b]Thread Women[/b]: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

[b]Transgender Poster[/b]: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

[b]Thread Women[/b]: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

[b]Transgender Poster[/b]: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

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My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts. [/quote]

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women. [/quote]

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise. [/quote]

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.[/quote]

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