I'm a DC resident, applied for my CCW, and I'm now carrying concealed

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

I will add that the people who tried starting fires were handed over to police - by BLM. They were outsiders, not part of the BLM group. I saw it for myself, when two guys went over to a bank building and tried smashing windows and lighting something on fire in the ATM lobby a group of protesters ran over to them, dragged them away and shoved them through the police line into the hands of police telling them they were arsonists. Funny how none of that ever gets reported in conservative media.

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump
administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

Absolutely bs. There were several riots and violence caused by the left-wing nuts in several cities.
Seriously, whom do you think you are fooling?

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump
administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

Absolutely bs. There were several riots and violence caused by the left-wing nuts in several cities.
Seriously, whom do you think you are fooling?

It was all over Breitbart and The Daily Stormer. How could it not be true?

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump
administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

Absolutely bs. There were several riots and violence caused by the left-wing nuts in several cities.
Seriously, whom do you think you are fooling?

It was all over Breitbart and The Daily Stormer. How could it not be true?

I was present at the riot in Virginia Beach so your gaslighting/ trolling does not work.
Arson, vandalism, gun fire, etc.
BLM riots happened in many other cities such as Portland which is well documented by multiple news sources regardless of political slant.

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Anonymous wrote:well, you are the reason, OP, that I wouldn't want to move to DC -- because your need to feel secure could result in a weapon going off in the wrong way and hitting a person in my family or me. It feels incredibly selfish. America is terrible in that way.

Wait, let me get this straight: other people should be deprived of the ability to defend themselves from violent criminal predators because you don’t know anything about firearms, have no idea how they work or what safety devices they contain, are unwilling to learn about any of that, and hence have an irrational paranoia about weapons “going off in the wrong way.”

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but with the number of heavily armed plainclothes and uniformed law enforcement agents (federal and local), including retirees and on and off duty personnel from other jurisdictions, not to mention the military and armed security guards, the District of Columbia has always had a plethora of people carrying firearms, long before concealed pistol permits became available. I don’t recall there being any appreciable number of spontaneous discharges mowing down innocent victims in the street.

CCW is not law enforcement. It does not give you the level of training, direction, etc. to make it comparable. Police are trained to minimize the risk of danger to bystanders.

Police, protected by special favorable legal standards that apply only to them, and by “qualified” immunity, regularly exhibit absolutely appalling gunhandling, failure to observe safety rules and trigger discipline, and firing excessive numbers of rounds with no consideration where they might go. “Danger to bystanders” is the least of their demonstrated concerns. There are plenty of “regular” people with training and skill that dwarfs the absolutely minimal level level of competence police are trained to.

In any event, the point was not to compare law enforcement and non law enforcement but to demonstrate that long before the District became shall issue there were plenty of guns getting carried around without any notable instance of spontaneous discharge.

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Anonymous wrote:well, you are the reason, OP, that I wouldn't want to move to DC -- because your need to feel secure could result in a weapon going off in the wrong way and hitting a person in my family or me. It feels incredibly selfish. America is terrible in that way.

Wow, OP is being selfish by taking prudent steps to help ensure her safety and security is selfish, and an example of how America is terrible.

Simply will never be able to understand that type of thought process. Hope you don’t live in one of the constitutional carry states.

There's little actual statistical evidence to show that more people carrying guns reduces crime or makes anyone any safer. And in fact the data shows the exact opposite, along with increased suicides.

It depends on the statistics you choose. Personal firearms are used at least hundreds of thousands of times a year in the US to prevent or terminate criminal assault, typically without firing a shot. Carry permit holders commit fewer crimes than police. As for suicide, it is well established that depriving people of firearms may change the means, but it does not change the frequency, of suicide. The most common suicide method in Europe is an over the counter drug. In Japan people hang themselves. And in this day an age, with the emphasis on individual rights and the euthanasia movement in full effect, whether to keep on living or not would seem to be a choice for the individual, and hence not other people’s business.

Suicide and euthanasia may look similar but are very different things. People with terminal cancer are not looking to blow their brains out with a shotgun. Depressed people need help not a way to accomplish it easier. And making it easier does correlate with a higher percentage of people carrying out the suicide instead of getting help.

You sure you're the pro-life people?

Actually, more than a few people with cancer elect to end their own lives. And as noted, restricting the rights of decent people on the pretext that this will somehow prevent other people from killings themselves changes the method, not the frequency, of suicide. A determined person has no difficulty finding a way to “easily” end their life regardless whether they have access to firearms.

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Anonymous wrote:well, you are the reason, OP, that I wouldn't want to move to DC -- because your need to feel secure could result in a weapon going off in the wrong way and hitting a person in my family or me. It feels incredibly selfish. America is terrible in that way.

Wait, let me get this straight: other people should be deprived of the ability to defend themselves from violent criminal predators because you don’t know anything about firearms, have no idea how they work or what safety devices they contain, are unwilling to learn about any of that, and hence have an irrational paranoia about weapons “going off in the wrong way.”

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but with the number of heavily armed plainclothes and uniformed law enforcement agents (federal and local), including retirees and on and off duty personnel from other jurisdictions, not to mention the military and armed security guards, the District of Columbia has always had a plethora of people carrying firearms, long before concealed pistol permits became available. I don’t recall there being any appreciable number of spontaneous discharges mowing down innocent victims in the street.

CCW is not law enforcement. It does not give you the level of training, direction, etc. to make it comparable. Police are trained to minimize the risk of danger to bystanders.

Police, protected by special favorable legal standards that apply only to them, and by “qualified” immunity, regularly exhibit absolutely appalling gunhandling, failure to observe safety rules and trigger discipline, and firing excessive numbers of rounds with no consideration where they might go. “Danger to bystanders” is the least of their demonstrated concerns. There are plenty of “regular” people with training and skill that dwarfs the absolutely minimal level level of competence police are trained to.

In any event, the point was not to compare law enforcement and non law enforcement but to demonstrate that long before the District became shall issue there were plenty of guns getting carried around without any notable instance of spontaneous discharge.

Where's your data on the level of proficiency of CCW holders? Any expert I've spoken to has noted that even states with the highest level of required training to review a CCW permit are far short of what would be needed to respond in an active shooting situation.

You still just think you're a regular John Wayne.

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Anonymous wrote:well, you are the reason, OP, that I wouldn't want to move to DC -- because your need to feel secure could result in a weapon going off in the wrong way and hitting a person in my family or me. It feels incredibly selfish. America is terrible in that way.

Wow, OP is being selfish by taking prudent steps to help ensure her safety and security is selfish, and an example of how America is terrible.

Simply will never be able to understand that type of thought process. Hope you don’t live in one of the constitutional carry states.

There's little actual statistical evidence to show that more people carrying guns reduces crime or makes anyone any safer. And in fact the data shows the exact opposite, along with increased suicides.

It depends on the statistics you choose. Personal firearms are used at least hundreds of thousands of times a year in the US to prevent or terminate criminal assault, typically without firing a shot. Carry permit holders commit fewer crimes than police. As for suicide, it is well established that depriving people of firearms may change the means, but it does not change the frequency, of suicide. The most common suicide method in Europe is an over the counter drug. In Japan people hang themselves. And in this day an age, with the emphasis on individual rights and the euthanasia movement in full effect, whether to keep on living or not would seem to be a choice for the individual, and hence not other people’s business.

Suicide and euthanasia may look similar but are very different things. People with terminal cancer are not looking to blow their brains out with a shotgun. Depressed people need help not a way to accomplish it easier. And making it easier does correlate with a higher percentage of people carrying out the suicide instead of getting help.

You sure you're the pro-life people?

Actually, more than a few people with cancer elect to end their own lives. And as noted, restricting the rights of decent people on the pretext that this will somehow prevent other people from killings themselves changes the method, not the frequency, of suicide. A determined person has no difficulty finding a way to “easily” end their life regardless whether they have access to firearms.

By shooting themselves? And leaving their families a mess after? Nope. It's usually pills. Try reading what I actually wrote.

And no, pills are not as high likelihood for completing as a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:If you’re carrying a concealed weapon … you’re a gun nut.

No doubt about it. 100%.

There have been over 15 million concealed carry permits issued in shall issue states. Add the 27 states that allow constitutional carry and there are 10s of millions of so called gun nuts running around according to some.

While others would see normal law abiding citizen’s executing their constitutional rights.

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Thats umpossible. Cant be true. Im not going to believe it!!

I mean, if that were true, everybody knows it would the the Wild West, with hourly shoot-outs and thr streets would be running red with blood!

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump
administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

Absolutely bs. There were several riots and violence caused by the left-wing nuts in several cities.
Seriously, whom do you think you are fooling?

It was all over Breitbart and The Daily Stormer. How could it not be true?

I was present at the riot in Virginia Beach so your gaslighting/ trolling does not work.
Arson, vandalism, gun fire, etc.
BLM riots happened in many other cities such as Portland which is well documented by multiple news sources regardless of political slant.

PoRtLAnD?!?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

I will add that the people who tried starting fires were handed over to police - by BLM. They were outsiders, not part of the BLM group. I saw it for myself, when two guys went over to a bank building and tried smashing windows and lighting something on fire in the ATM lobby a group of protesters ran over to them, dragged them away and shoved them through the police line into the hands of police telling them they were arsonists. Funny how none of that ever gets reported in conservative media.

+1

They are all lies and misinformation.

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Where did we land on Swiss gun laws? We like them because they are "less draconian” than ours?

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Anonymous wrote:DC authorities did little to protect property during the last round of looting and riots. it's not just criminals, it's the potential for mob rule every few decades.

Yes J6 was bad. Do you really think the general public should have grabbed their guns and opened up on that mob?

Shooting masses of unarmed protesters isn’t a good look…but it IS exactly the sort of thing most DCUM’s could get behind - IF - it were the right sort of unarmed people getting shot. And the J6 crowd would definitely qualify.

I’m fine letting LEO defend the VP and legislators with deadly force.

What about the thousands of BLM protesters that surrounded the White House for 3 days in June of 2020, set fire to several buildings nearby, seriously injured dozens of police officers and caused the secret service to evacuate the first family to the bunker out of fear that the White House was about to be overrun ?

Do you support force deadly force being used there, too?

The vast majority of BLM protestors were peaceful. Certainly the ones were the day when Trump ousted them violently. And they didn’t breach any federal buildings. And they aren’t traitors trying to overthrow the government. So…not comparable.

Downtown and major shopping cooridors were TRASHED during these protests. Cars were rocked and harrassed. They were not fully peaceful by any means. Some folks may have peacefully protested by day; at night much turned violent and the rampant looting had nothing to do with peaceful protest/equal rights.

I live in DC and saw it firsthand, unlike you FOX viewers out there in the hinterlands. There were weeks and weeks of BLM protests that were in fact completely peaceful. The only times things got violent were a.) when there were outside provocateurs causing trouble, like Proud Boys and b.) the day that the Trump
administration decided to violently clear the area for Trump's idiotic photo op with a Bible.

Absolutely bs. There were several riots and violence caused by the left-wing nuts in several cities.
Seriously, whom do you think you are fooling?

It was all over Breitbart and The Daily Stormer. How could it not be true?

I was present at the riot in Virginia Beach so your gaslighting/ trolling does not work.
Arson, vandalism, gun fire, etc.
BLM riots happened in many other cities such as Portland which is well documented by multiple news sources regardless of political slant.

PoRtLAnD?!?!?!?

Antiifa A-hole?

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Quiet people we're playing cowboys here.