Is it "insulting" to refer to god as "mythical"?

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

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^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

Selectively quoting the moderator is just dishonest. Here's the full quote:

?Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

Selectively quoting the moderator is just dishonest. Here's the full quote:

?Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

Right. You asserted, incorrectly, that: "The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs." He never said that as your full quote shows. So please stop making stuff up. And please stop saying people said stuff they never said, and please stop inferring that someone really means something different than what they are saying. You do that all the time too. It gets very frustrating.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

Selectively quoting the moderator is just dishonest. Here's the full quote:

?Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

Right. You asserted, incorrectly, that: "The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs." He never said that as your full quote shows. So please stop making stuff up. And please stop saying people said stuff they never said, and please stop inferring that someone really means something different than what they are saying. You do that all the time too. It gets very frustrating.

Are you trolling, are you addicted to ad hominems, or is your reading comprehension really that bad?

So the moderator used the phrase "posters who don't have such a belief [in the existence of God]" instead of saying straight-up "atheist." You don't understand that he's still referring to you when he goes on to say "they should stay out"?

You also don't understand how metaphors work and how you're the posters talking about dogs in that metaphor?

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

LOL, you atheists are too much.

Who is the moderator talking about then, if he's not talking about atheists who inserted themselves to talk about atheism ("posters who don't have such a belief" aka dogs) in a thread about religion (cats) where the input from "posters who don't have such a belief" isn't valuable?

I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

Don’t you find it ironic that you are so far off topic complaining people are off topic?

Start your own off-topic topic thread.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

LOL, you atheists are too much.

Who is the moderator talking about then, if he's not talking about atheists who inserted themselves to talk about atheism ("posters who don't have such a belief" aka dogs) in a thread about religion (cats) where the input from "posters who don't have such a belief" isn't valuable?

I'll wait.

You’re off topic!

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

Don’t you find it ironic that you are so far off topic complaining people are off topic?

Start your own off-topic topic thread.

+100. The atheists here who want to go on insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth" really can't defend it. So they're gish galloping about older threads where they also got shot down but don't want to accept that, either.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and in case you've forgotten he also said;

"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

LOL, you atheists are too much.

Who is the moderator talking about then, if he's not talking about atheists who inserted themselves to talk about atheism ("posters who don't have such a belief" aka dogs) in a thread about religion (cats) where the input from "posters who don't have such a belief" isn't valuable?

I'll wait.

You’re off topic!

So, you have no good answer. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

Selectively quoting the moderator is just dishonest. Here's the full quote:

?Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

Right. You asserted, incorrectly, that: "The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs." He never said that as your full quote shows. So please stop making stuff up. And please stop saying people said stuff they never said, and please stop inferring that someone really means something different than what they are saying. You do that all the time too. It gets very frustrating.

Are you trolling, are you addicted to ad hominems, or is your reading comprehension really that bad?

So the moderator used the phrase "posters who don't have such a belief [in the existence of God]" instead of saying straight-up "atheist." You don't understand that he's still referring to you when he goes on to say "they should stay out"?

You also don't understand how metaphors work and how you're the posters talking about dogs in that metaphor?

Well alrighty then. Pretty sure he specifically said the atheists didn't hijack that thread but ok. This thread is open to all and you're still complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Religion is based on faith. I can completely respect that. But as Richard Dawkins so astutely said, you don't need faith if you have evidence. Or to put it the other way, if you have any evidence to support your beliefs why would you need "faith."?

This isn't a thread to discuss Richard Dawkins or your atheism. [b]It's a thread about your behavior.

Who are you talking to? What behavior? Be specific please so I know what you are talking about.

Are you a troll? OP asked "Is it 'insulting' to refer to god (sic) as 'mythical'?" That's about behavior.

What's that got to do with me? That question arose on the other thread, and the OP followed up here when someone said to start a new thread. I get it that many people are in fact offended -- but reasonable minds can differ as to whether they should be.

Stop trying to derail. And no, reasonable minds do not think it's OK to insult anybody, what's wrong with you?

Because they shouldn't be offended. Myth isn't a dirty word and the bible is full of mythical stories. When those are stripped away, there is legitimate value in reading of Jesus's words, for example - but a lot of it is apocryphal stories that share much in common with myth. Why be offended by that?

The word "myth" has a pejorative connotation among other meanings. You skipped over the discussion above and the dictionary link.

"They shouldn't be offended" is pretty patronizing and even dishonest. When a Black person tells you they're offended by something you did, do you keep doing it?

We get it. You're going to keep insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth," because you can, because it's an anonymous forum, as you've made very clear. And then you're going to whine that atheists are dissed because of this behavior.

I don't whine that atheists are dissed. I don't know what you are talking about. There are so many worldviews, and Christian Deism is but one of them. It seems they all have their strengths and weaknesses, but I'm convinced that the supernatural deities are all largely mythical. It can't be helped that some people are offended by that, but it's a widely held belief among modern well educated people. I know it's kinda like walking on eggshells to even discuss this, someone is gonna get offended - so maybe it shouldn't even be discussed.

Isn’t that crazy to even suggest that it not be discussed? Why shouldn’t you be able to express your belief here if others can?

It was not that long ago it was offensive to talk about races being equal and smoking being bad for you. Should those topics not have been discussed?

Well I can see how asking whether it's insulting to refer to "god (lower case) as a myth" is gonna stir up a hornet's nest. Notice how many posts got deleted from this thread? It's like discourse in society generally these days, there are just more and more things you can't say because they're gonna offend someone. Myself, I'm a huge fan of mythology and read a lot about it so I don't see that term as pejorative, but apparently that's offensive to some and I see no reason to deliberately offend people. [Having said that I gotta say the politics forum is much much worse and it seems insulting references to peoples' beliefs are more tolerated on there. I'm not sure why].

Because lots of us think the Politics forum is even more of a cesspool than the Religion forum, so we don't go there to see and report abuse.

Nobody is asking you to give up your atheism. It's a simple request: don't jump onto a thread about how to return to religion to tell that OP religion is fake.

Those are your words liar. It never happened.

Nice ad hominems. And you're the liar: the moderator deleted many of your posts from that thread, and you also tried to make the case that Jesus was anti-women, all on the first page.

The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs and had nothing to contribute to the thread.

No he didn't: He said "Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. " Where do you see the word atheist in there? You just keep making sh*t up.

Selectively quoting the moderator is just dishonest. Here's the full quote:

?Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

Right. You asserted, incorrectly, that: "The moderator even said, OP was asking about cats and atheists were talking about dogs." He never said that as your full quote shows. So please stop making stuff up. And please stop saying people said stuff they never said, and please stop inferring that someone really means something different than what they are saying. You do that all the time too. It gets very frustrating.

Are you trolling, are you addicted to ad hominems, or is your reading comprehension really that bad?

So the moderator used the phrase "posters who don't have such a belief [in the existence of God]" instead of saying straight-up "atheist." You don't understand that he's still referring to you when he goes on to say "they should stay out"?

You also don't understand how metaphors work and how you're the posters talking about dogs in that metaphor?

Well alrighty then. Pretty sure he specifically said the atheists didn't hijack that thread but ok. This thread is open to all and you're still complaining.

He deleted a bunch of your posts and said you should stay out. That language is visible to all and you're still pretending it's something else.

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"Regarding point 2, the thread was not hijacked by atheists. A poster who appears to be Christian ended her post by saying, "I am assuming Christian God but if not, maybe similar ideas can still apply." This provoked a response by a poster who wrote, "I assume there is one god with different ways of worshipping him." That poster is obviously not an atheist since an atheist would not assume that there in one God. Rather this appears to be a religious poster. At any rate, this post led to the thread being hijacked into a discussion about God."


Ok? Maybe there is plenty of blame to go around but it's complete nonsense and false that the tread was derailed by atheists who claimed religion was a myth or fake. It never happened.

The moderator said you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable. Are you arguing with him?

"Generally, my view of the Religion forum is that it suffers far too much from the example I frequently use of posters who ask for information about cats getting responses about dogs. If the topic that a thread is discussing assumes the existence of a God, posters who don't have such a belief likely have very little, if any, valuable input. As such, they should stay out."

A) he didn't say "you atheists inserted yourselves in a thread where your input wasn't valuable." He said "If ... then. Jeez, can you read? B) No I'm not going to argue with him. This thread here was specifically open to all, and you're still complaining.

Don’t you find it ironic that you are so far off topic complaining people are off topic?

Start your own off-topic topic thread.

+100. The atheists here who want to go on insulting people of faith by calling their God a "myth" really can't defend it. So they're gish galloping about older threads where they also got shot down but don't want to accept that, either.

No you are off topic too! And all gods are myths.