Gosselins

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Who says he is troubled?

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Anonymous wrote:Who says he is troubled?

Who calls the cops on their dad and accuses him of beating him? The cops did nothing and said the claims were unfounded. Is that untroubled behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

Is Hannah a liar too? When Kate tried to pull her out of Jon's car so hard an ambulance was called- what's up with that?

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-custody-police-daughter-140042/

Do you know people who have abused their kids? I do. When the cops are called and abuse is found the parents are arrested, there are restraining orders, criminal charges filed, and the kids go into foster care. Somehow that never seems to be happening. The police are involved in these cases yet never arrest Jon and Kate. What does that tell you?

I've worked in child welfare. It's very rare to have restraining orders and criminal charges. Be real.

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NP here. This is true.

You must not be familiar with real abuse then.

Yes, I am. It's very rare for parents to be arrested, charged and jail. Foster care, yes, but not arrested or jailed.

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Anonymous wrote:She is horrible. She is not backed into a corner. She should say that she made bad parenting decisions that maybe she thought were good at the time but were clearly abusive now that she has distance from raising so many kids of the same age. She should admit she never visited him and cut him out of her life because he didn’t want to go along with her program. If you notice she takes no responsibility for her actions. Colin did an interview where he said if he was difficult he was a little kid and didn’t understand and he also said he would like to get past the trauma and have a relationship. He is clearly the adult. FYI who cares if he has Adhd-that is not even bad. Temper tantrum? How would you act if locked in a closet?

Why are you so worked up about this? None of these people are believable. We don't have the full story and everyone's side should be taken with a grain of salt. Collin has accused his dad of abuse the claims were unfounded. He's a troubled teen who has problems with the truth.

The PP was not worked up. But you are a gaslighting troll.

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Kate’s response makes me think she is a sociopath.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate’s response makes me think she is a sociopath.

100%. She’s also an idiot for claiming that Collin lied to the Marine’s about his medical history. They require access to your medical history.

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Anonymous wrote:She is horrible. She is not backed into a corner. She should say that she made bad parenting decisions that maybe she thought were good at the time but were clearly abusive now that she has distance from raising so many kids of the same age. She should admit she never visited him and cut him out of her life because he didn’t want to go along with her program. If you notice she takes no responsibility for her actions. Colin did an interview where he said if he was difficult he was a little kid and didn’t understand and he also said he would like to get past the trauma and have a relationship. He is clearly the adult. FYI who cares if he has Adhd-that is not even bad. Temper tantrum? How would you act if locked in a closet?

Why are you so worked up about this? None of these people are believable. We don't have the full story and everyone's side should be taken with a grain of salt. Collin has accused his dad of abuse the claims were unfounded. He's a troubled teen who has problems with the truth.

The PP was not worked up. But you are a gaslighting troll.

Really? You are ridiculous. PP is practically hysterical over this messy family.

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Anonymous wrote:She is horrible. She is not backed into a corner. She should say that she made bad parenting decisions that maybe she thought were good at the time but were clearly abusive now that she has distance from raising so many kids of the same age. She should admit she never visited him and cut him out of her life because he didn’t want to go along with her program. If you notice she takes no responsibility for her actions. Colin did an interview where he said if he was difficult he was a little kid and didn’t understand and he also said he would like to get past the trauma and have a relationship. He is clearly the adult. FYI who cares if he has Adhd-that is not even bad. Temper tantrum? How would you act if locked in a closet?

Why are you so worked up about this? None of these people are believable. We don't have the full story and everyone's side should be taken with a grain of salt. Collin has accused his dad of abuse the claims were unfounded. He's a troubled teen who has problems with the truth.

The PP was not worked up. But you are a gaslighting troll.

Really? You are ridiculous. PP is practically hysterical over this messy family.

Touch grass. You’re the only one who is practically hysterical here.

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Anonymous wrote:She is horrible. She is not backed into a corner. She should say that she made bad parenting decisions that maybe she thought were good at the time but were clearly abusive now that she has distance from raising so many kids of the same age. She should admit she never visited him and cut him out of her life because he didn’t want to go along with her program. If you notice she takes no responsibility for her actions. Colin did an interview where he said if he was difficult he was a little kid and didn’t understand and he also said he would like to get past the trauma and have a relationship. He is clearly the adult. FYI who cares if he has Adhd-that is not even bad. Temper tantrum? How would you act if locked in a closet?

Why are you so worked up about this? None of these people are believable. We don't have the full story and everyone's side should be taken with a grain of salt. Collin has accused his dad of abuse the claims were unfounded. He's a troubled teen who has problems with the truth.

The PP was not worked up. But you are a gaslighting troll.

Really? You are ridiculous. PP is practically hysterical over this messy family.

Touch grass. You’re the only one who is practically hysterical here.

You're just gullible AF believing all the tit for tat you read in tabloids.

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Exactly. Even my super sh*tty parents visited my 13 year old brother in residential. And only kept him there for a short time and then sent him to relatives. Years in residential is just…

So your parent pawned your brother off on relatives instead of handling it themselves. Lucky them. Your parents did exactly the same thing here. They aren’t ‘better’.

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Anonymous wrote:Kate’s response makes me think she is a sociopath.

100%. She’s also an idiot for claiming that Collin lied to the Marine’s about his medical history. They require access to your medical history.

As a minor could he have it scrubbed or sealed?

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I believe Kate’s statement, and I’m no fan of Kate. I’m a parent to a child who has violent outbursts. If I also had 7 other children at home, I would not be able to parent her at home when she’s violent.

I would go visit her!

I have never believed Jon that Kate kept Collin’s whereabouts from him. I believe she didn’t volunteer the information, but Jon could have easily gone to court and demanded the information. He doesn’t get to cry victim on that now.

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I believe the military will request his medical records and also do its own assessment.

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Is Collin actually in the Marines or did he just “plan to enlist” at some point?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe Kate’s statement, and I’m no fan of Kate. I’m a parent to a child who has violent outbursts. If I also had 7 other children at home, I would not be able to parent her at home when she’s violent.

I would go visit her!

I have never believed Jon that Kate kept Collin’s whereabouts from him. I believe she didn’t volunteer the information, but Jon could have easily gone to court and demanded the information. He doesn’t get to cry victim on that now.

If I remember correctly, Jon said Kate kept Collin’s whereabouts from him in court. If Jon was lying there is no way Kate would not have used him.