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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

DP. If you want to learn about issues related to people's support or criticism of MCPD, go out into the real world. If you want to argue with some anonymous random person on an internet message board about their opinions about MCPD...

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

DP. If you want to learn about issues related to people's support or criticism of MCPD, go out into the real world. If you want to argue with some anonymous random person on an internet message board about their opinions about MCPD...

two recent surveys, one of which is validated and adjusted by race/ethnicity/gender, shows overwhelming support for police.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

DP. If you want to learn about issues related to people's support or criticism of MCPD, go out into the real world. If you want to argue with some anonymous random person on an internet message board about their opinions about MCPD...

+1

Don't pretend you are trying to learn by asking strangers on an anonymous message board. Inform yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Seems then that you are just here to make baseless claims. Well, not totally baseless. They are based on your feelings. That’s still not evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

DP. If you want to learn about issues related to people's support or criticism of MCPD, go out into the real world. If you want to argue with some anonymous random person on an internet message board about their opinions about MCPD...

two recent surveys, one of which is validated and adjusted by race/ethnicity/gender, shows overwhelming support for police.

Yeah, you're not asking questions, you're trying to argue with anonymous random people on an internet message board about their opinions about MCPD.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Seems then that you are just here to make baseless claims. Well, not totally baseless. They are based on your feelings. That’s still not evidence.

You are an obvious troll. Try to be less obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

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Anonymous wrote:Who on the council is "falling all over themselves to praise police?"

The only example I can think of is Elrich's absurd covid bonuses.

I’m the PP who posted above about the council’s treatment of police. I can’t think of one time I’ve witnessed this, and I do watch council proceedings.

All one needs to do is go to certain council members’ social media accounts and search for references to the police. It’s just criticism after criticism after criticism. No support at all. Recruitment for police is down nationwide, but it is critical here.

Names? Examples?

Hucker and Jawando were the worst. Riemer on occasion.

This new Council? Mink.

So 2 out of 11 current councilmembers are by themselves making police work so difficult that they need to reduce traffic stops by 2/3? Through their Twitter posts.

Well, I suppose if you limit their impact to solely social media.

But don't forget the 30+ new legal mandates they've placed on police over the past 2 years, and all the negative discussion that surrounded those deliberations.

I was about to post this. Thank you.

That sounds very persuasive but the police themselves are not blaming the "30+ legal mandates" for the work stoppage. They are blaming the "rhetoric". And I actually have listened to council sessions and find the notion that the rhetoric during the sessions was in any way offensive or abusive towards police hilarious. There are current and former councilmembers that are abusive bullies. Jawando, Hucker, Riemer and Mink are not in this group.

Have you been listening to the council for the past couple of years? You don’t see the hostility?

In any case, it doesn’t matter if you see it. We went from full recruit classes and the pick of applicants to barely being able to fill a class. This used to be the county law enforcement officers wanted to work for. It was a premier department. Now we can’t keep pace with any of the neighboring counties. The word is out that officers aren’t supported. It doesn’t matter whether you see it. Others do.

I think that MCPD has been saying "We're not like those other terrible police departments!" and that's true, but that doesn't mean there aren't also problems with MCPD. Plus the Montgomery County Council doesn't have legislative and funding authority over those other terrible police departments; it has legislative and funding authority over MCPD.

How is recruiting for the Gaithersburg PD and the Rockville PD, by the way?

And the problems are? What I see is a lot of localizing national issues where it is just not relevant. Or crazy nitpicking.

People should be grateful that we have MCPD and not those other police departments. My fear is that this constant and ridiculous barrage against MCPD will only lead in one direction, MCPD getting worse.

Well, there you go. There are problems, but you don't consider them serious, just "crazy nitpicking".

Am I grateful that we have MCPD and not, for example, NYPD? Yes, I am. I think it's reasonable to expect more from our police department than merely "less bad than other police departments that are notoriously terrible".

What are the problems? Please identify them and be specific.

Honestly, PP. For any problems here, short of police murder, you will dismiss them as "crazy nitpicking." Are you the one who keeps saying people should listen to police officers? Well, how about you listen to people talking about their experiences with policing.

So you refuse to actually state any specific problem with MCPD? But I am supposed to just accept your word for it that it has vaguely defined “problems”? No thanks.

No, you are supposed to listen to people who have given many such examples in the public arena in real life.

+1 including on this thread but PP just denies denies denies so they can justify the fact that MCPD is totally resistant to reform. They are driving recruits away, not a small minority of the County Council. Who would want to be a part of an organization where one is expected to protect fellow officers that harass and abuse BIPOC people.

I haven’t read the whole thread. So maybe you could provide a link? Thanks!

Oh my goodness, in no universe are you remotely interested in this topic if you cannot even lift a finger to do a simple Google search. Honestly, stay ignorant and stop wasting people's time on here pretending you know absolutely anything about policing in Montgomery County.

I have a legitimate question. You are telling me that MCPD are bad and I just want to understand specifically why. It is weird that you refuse to provide any other explanation that telling me to use Google.

How is it you are so entitled that you can't even read past posts on this thread. You are not interested in learning. You are interested in arguing and wasting people's time.

Dear god. Please show me what I am missing. I would be happy to agree with you if I even knew what the problem is. You don’t even cite any specific incident or problem, just generally vague complaints that amount to vibes. I am a POC and have lived in a lot of places in my life and I can tell you, the vibes that I get from MCPD are pretty darn good. If there was a specific incident or incidents that can demonstrate that my experience is not the norm, I would really love to hear it and understand it. But you are absolutely not even trying to help me understand what the issue or your specific concern is. Instead you just make ad hominem attacks when I ask basic questions for understanding.

You literally asked for links to past posts on this thread. No. READ IT YOURSELF.

DP here. I have read this entire thread, and I don’t know which links you’re referring to. Can you please be more specific?

Also, I hope you did report your concerns to MCPD if you are the poster who witnessed something.
Here’s the link:
https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/howdoI/compliments-complaints.html
If you haven’t told them, I encourage you to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are shocked by sexism and misogyny in local political, I recommend you consider donating to Kristin Mink's campaign here: https://www.kristinmink.com

It's a cult, folks.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are shocked by sexism and misogyny in local political, I recommend you consider donating to Kristin Mink's campaign here: https://www.kristinmink.com

It's a cult, folks.

you are sexist.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are shocked by sexism and misogyny in local political, I recommend you consider donating to Kristin Mink's campaign here: https://www.kristinmink.com

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