Waitlisted at TJ - now what?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

NP here, but i’m pretty sure you’re referring to public schools in Northern Virginia. I think colleges limit their admissions to specific private schools, however, regardless of if they come from Northern Virginia or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

St. Albans sends more students to HYPS alongside most T-25 universities with the exception of MIT every year, despite having 1/7 the graduating size of TJ. Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers. Why is that these asians at TJ, despite allocating more time to their studies as opposed to sports and such, have a smaller number of students going to the top universities. Colleges knowingly cap the number of spots that can be filled from TJ as well as by asians to maintain diversity, whether that be in Virginia public universities or at Ivys. You really think UVA admissions want flocks of asians from one school coming to their southern university? And they are not for the most part Korean, that wouldn’t make plausible sense realistically when the majority of asians in the area are from China and India. Please open the school directory and see for yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

NP here, but i’m pretty sure you’re referring to public schools in Northern Virginia. I think colleges limit their admissions to specific private schools, however, regardless of if they come from Northern Virginia or not.

PP. More or less this is correct. But they absolutely do NOT have a hard or soft cap on who comes from TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

St. Albans sends more students to HYPS alongside most T-25 universities with the exception of MIT every year, despite having 1/7 the graduating size of TJ. Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers. Why is that these asians at TJ, despite allocating more time to their studies as opposed to sports and such, have a smaller number of students going to the top universities. Colleges knowingly cap the number of spots that can be filled from TJ as well as by asians to maintain diversity, whether that be in Virginia public universities or at Ivys. You really think UVA admissions want flocks of asians from one school coming to their southern university? And they are not for the most part Korean, that wouldn’t make plausible sense realistically when the majority of asians in the area are from China and India. Please open the school directory and see for yourself.

PP. A huge amount of St. Albans college admissions success comes form legacy admits. They also streamline their admissions process to admit students who are likely to have success in the college admissions process - including from a legacy perspective.

Allocating more time to studies and less to extracurricular activities has NEVER been a successful formula for college admissions. They have smaller numbers going to these elite universities because they fail to show evidence of what they will give back to the university environment. That's common knowledge in admissions circles. If it were good for business for schools to have more Asians, they would have more Asians.

The majority of ASIANS at TJ are of South Asian descent - probably about 60-65% of them. What I said was that the majority of EAST Asians at TJ were Korean, and that is absolutely true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

St. Albans sends more students to HYPS alongside most T-25 universities with the exception of MIT every year, despite having 1/7 the graduating size of TJ. Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers. Why is that these asians at TJ, despite allocating more time to their studies as opposed to sports and such, have a smaller number of students going to the top universities. Colleges knowingly cap the number of spots that can be filled from TJ as well as by asians to maintain diversity, whether that be in Virginia public universities or at Ivys. You really think UVA admissions want flocks of asians from one school coming to their southern university? And they are not for the most part Korean, that wouldn’t make plausible sense realistically when the majority of asians in the area are from China and India. Please open the school directory and see for yourself.

TJ definitely has more acceptances to top 25 including top 10 than St. Albans even if you accounted for the size difference. You are delusional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the slots opened up for reasons having nothing to do with the verification of FARMS eligibility. Some kids might just be deciding upon reflection that they’d rather attend base schools with less drama and sniping.

Exactly.

But the likely answer was they opened up to fill the many spots vacant by the cheaters.

All these slots opened up because there were so many cheaters booted from the list.

The number of economically disadvantaged changed between the May 25, 2022 Washington Post article (33% or 182 kids) and the FCPS June 20th release (21% or 116 kids) is 66. Some of the kids who were originally in due to checking the free meals boxes probably stayed admitted even with that experience factor removed.

One interesting detail from the FCPS press release - they do not state the total number of kids admitted to the class of 2026. This is likely intentional and they are still trying to figure out the Free Meals mess, including potential lawsuits. They may be reserving seats to see how this shakes out. The waitlist could still see A LOT of movement.

If nothing else it’s a testament to how lazy the Post’s reporting on TJ has been. All they ever wanted to do was promote the notion that the admissions change was a great idea and working exactly as planned.

It seems like a major newspaper would want to publish a retraction?

Why would they since the changes were an improvement to the previous system that was being gamed by the prep industry.

Are you really this stupid or just incredibly partisan? The issue is that the Post published a story with false information because it uncritically published whatever it is told by FCPS spin doctors.

What information was false?

The premise that the new system is better at finding exceptional students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the slots opened up for reasons having nothing to do with the verification of FARMS eligibility. Some kids might just be deciding upon reflection that they’d rather attend base schools with less drama and sniping.

Exactly.

But the likely answer was they opened up to fill the many spots vacant by the cheaters.

All these slots opened up because there were so many cheaters booted from the list.

The number of economically disadvantaged changed between the May 25, 2022 Washington Post article (33% or 182 kids) and the FCPS June 20th release (21% or 116 kids) is 66. Some of the kids who were originally in due to checking the free meals boxes probably stayed admitted even with that experience factor removed.

One interesting detail from the FCPS press release - they do not state the total number of kids admitted to the class of 2026. This is likely intentional and they are still trying to figure out the Free Meals mess, including potential lawsuits. They may be reserving seats to see how this shakes out. The waitlist could still see A LOT of movement.

If nothing else it’s a testament to how lazy the Post’s reporting on TJ has been. All they ever wanted to do was promote the notion that the admissions change was a great idea and working exactly as planned.

It seems like a major newspaper would want to publish a retraction?

Why would they since the changes were an improvement to the previous system that was being gamed by the prep industry.

Are you really this stupid or just incredibly partisan? The issue is that the Post published a story with false information because it uncritically published whatever it is told by FCPS spin doctors.

What information was false?

The premise that the new system is better at finding exceptional students.

Where did the Post say that? I know a bunch of folks here have said that, and even as a pro-reform person I think it's a little misguided, but I don't think the Post has asserted that the new admissions process is BETTER at finding exceptional students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relax. Not the end of the world. Many TJ kids attending dame school as my non TJ senior. Except mine didn’t get the amount of stress Tj kids went through. Be a strong student at a base school. Tj is way over rated.

It is the end of the world. They had planned on TJ their whole life and now are denied this. I blame the activists!

So I feel like this is probably intended to be posted in sarcasm. If it is, bravo.

One of the best things that could possibly happen to TJ would be for it to experience a significant drop in prestige without a reduction in the caliber of the education that is provided.

Regardless of whether it's the number one high school in America, it will still have unparalleled opportunities for STEM-interested and STEM-capable students and will still provide a phenomenal environment for them to collaborate.

The prestige element creates an unhealthy obsession among a very narrow sub-segment of the Northern Virginia population that frankly leads to devastating outcomes for their children regardless of whether or not they get into TJ.

One thing I have noticed in the past year is a significant increase in the number of non-toxic Asian families within the Class of 2025. These folks are creating a new narrative within the school and proving once and for all that the toxicity at TJ was never about race but about attitudes. I can't wait to see how the new Class of 2026 builds on this new narrative, as we enter a reality where half the school is selected by the new admissions process.

One of the things i have noticed in the past two years is ignoramuses like this PP speaking with authority on TJ. She knows nothing about TJ but her toxic hatred for Asians permeates through every single post. I fear for TJ if hate-mongers like this PP are allowed to pretend that they speak for TJ/FCPS. She needs a racial sensitivity class for sure.

[Anonymous]

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1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

They do? I thought they got rid of the geographic diversity criteria which was introduced over 100 years ago at Ivies to keep down the number of Jews.

[Anonymous]

You ...go to your zoned HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers.

No, it's middle class whites that have no appeal. They will take wealthy white kids and poor white kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

St. Albans sends more students to HYPS alongside most T-25 universities with the exception of MIT every year, despite having 1/7 the graduating size of TJ. Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers. Why is that these asians at TJ, despite allocating more time to their studies as opposed to sports and such, have a smaller number of students going to the top universities. Colleges knowingly cap the number of spots that can be filled from TJ as well as by asians to maintain diversity, whether that be in Virginia public universities or at Ivys. You really think UVA admissions want flocks of asians from one school coming to their southern university? And they are not for the most part Korean, that wouldn’t make plausible sense realistically when the majority of asians in the area are from China and India. Please open the school directory and see for yourself.

TJ definitely has more acceptances to top 25 including top 10 than St. Albans even if you accounted for the size difference. You are delusional.

Yes, it's not even close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school is a scam, in return for having no social life whatsoever, top level kids are forced to compete each other in college admissions, of whom only a small minority go onto elite universities. Colleges can only take a handful from every public school, thus ousting many outstanding candidates in favor of the tippy top. Not to mention that if your DS is non-asian and does not speak Mandarin or Hindi, he or she will have a hard time assimilating and fitting in and will most likely be excluded from all social aspects.

This post is on the Mount Rushmore of dumbest and most ill-informed posts in the history of DCUM.

1) Colleges do NOT limit their admissions from TJ - they limit their admissions from Northern Virginia.

2) It is not a small minority that go on to elite universities from TJ. Depending upon how you define the term, it's probably closer to 25-30%. Hell, 10% go to Ivies alone.

3) Mandarin and Hindi are not spoken within the walls of TJ. The East Asians at TJ aren't even Chinese - for the most part they're Korean.

Just so blindingly mind-numbingly stupid.

St. Albans sends more students to HYPS alongside most T-25 universities with the exception of MIT every year, despite having 1/7 the graduating size of TJ. Not to mention these boys are mostly affluent white men, who realistically have less appeal to admissions officers. Why is that these asians at TJ, despite allocating more time to their studies as opposed to sports and such, have a smaller number of students going to the top universities. Colleges knowingly cap the number of spots that can be filled from TJ as well as by asians to maintain diversity, whether that be in Virginia public universities or at Ivys. You really think UVA admissions want flocks of asians from one school coming to their southern university? And they are not for the most part Korean, that wouldn’t make plausible sense realistically when the majority of asians in the area are from China and India. Please open the school directory and see for yourself.

PP. A huge amount of St. Albans college admissions success comes form legacy admits. They also streamline their admissions process to admit students who are likely to have success in the college admissions process - including from a legacy perspective.

Allocating more time to studies and less to extracurricular activities has NEVER been a successful formula for college admissions. They have smaller numbers going to these elite universities because they fail to show evidence of what they will give back to the university environment. That's common knowledge in admissions circles. If it were good for business for schools to have more Asians, they would have more Asians.

The majority of ASIANS at TJ are of South Asian descent - probably about 60-65% of them. What I said was that the majority of EAST Asians at TJ were Korean, and that is absolutely true.

This is very true, my DS was at TJ for the first two years of US and transferred to STA for his last two. I don’t know if he would have been admitted in a non-entry year if it weren’t for his Yale legacy (which seems to be a popular destination for STA kids, often 5-7 every year out of 75-80 students) and/or his stellar extracurricular involvement, which seems to be prioritized over grades these days.

[Anonymous]

PP here, should also note that whatever tactic STA used in admitting him must have worked, he graduated cum laude and is currently attending Yale.

[Anonymous]

So according to the PP’s claim of 5-8 to Yale every year from a class of 75, is 13:57 claiming that TJ had more than 40-64 going to Yale in the past year? Similar data for Harvard I would assume, I guess TJ’s objective of inclusivity and an influx of URMs with their new admissions really benefited TJs matriculation…. Oh wait, that was only implemented last year