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[Anonymous]

I think PP is just talking about a counselor giving a student a reality check. Telling a kid their profile isn't competitive based on the info they have about past years isn't gate keeping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think PP is just talking about a counselor giving a student a reality check. Telling a kid their profile isn't competitive based on the info they have about past years isn't gate keeping.

They’re talking about checking boxes and noting rigor of program. If my kid’s decides to apply after meeting with the counselor, does his 14 AP transcript not even get checked and immediately get tossed aside? That would be good to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PP is just talking about a counselor giving a student a reality check. Telling a kid their profile isn't competitive based on the info they have about past years isn't gate keeping.

They’re talking about checking boxes and noting rigor of program. If my kid’s decides to apply after meeting with the counselor, does his 14 AP transcript not even get checked and immediately get tossed aside? That would be good to know.

You have to talk to the counselor about that. She of he checks off the boxes, mails the claw profile and writes letter of recommendation to the VA schools. She’s also the gatekeeper for the teacher’s letters of recommendation. If you are insisting that your B student apply to UVA she’s not homing yo be pleased do what’s the point if it. And she so g be checking the most rigorous box. These schools say they don’t rank but the school profile lets the admissions office decipher within just a minute where your student is in the class. And of course the college counselor knows rank. They are public employees and have reputations to uphold. They know it takes top 6 percent to get into UVA so why would they encourage a 3.0 student to apply? You’re going to be rerouted to more suitable colleges in the Commonweslth. Can you force it? Probably but the counselor and teachers will be rolling their eyes behind their backs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think PP is just talking about a counselor giving a student a reality check. Telling a kid their profile isn't competitive based on the info they have about past years isn't gate keeping.

They’re talking about checking boxes and noting rigor of program. If my kid’s decides to apply after meeting with the counselor, does his 14 AP transcript not even get checked and immediately get tossed aside? That would be good to know.

You have to talk to the counselor about that. She of he checks off the boxes, mails the claw profile and writes letter of recommendation to the VA schools. She’s also the gatekeeper for the teacher’s letters of recommendation. If you are insisting that your B student apply to UVA she’s not homing yo be pleased do what’s the point if it. And she so g be checking the most rigorous box. These schools say they don’t rank but the school profile lets the admissions office decipher within just a minute where your student is in the class. And of course the college counselor knows rank. They are public employees and have reputations to uphold. They know it takes top 6 percent to get into UVA so why would they encourage a 3.0 student to apply? You’re going to be rerouted to more suitable colleges in the Commonweslth. Can you force it? Probably but the counselor and teachers will be rolling their eyes behind their backs.

Not answering my question at all and making a lot of assumptions.

[Anonymous]

The majority of UVA applicants don't get in, so this notion that counselors don't let anyone but the top students apply is obviously wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of UVA applicants don't get in, so this notion that counselors don't let anyone but the top students apply is obviously wrong.

My guess, now having had 3 DCs accepted to UVA in the past 6 years, including for the class of 2026 (all in-state), is that the role of the college counselor as a "gate keeper" for applications to UVA varies by school and the only assumption that can be made is that in order to have a chance at acceptance, the counselor must indicate that the student has taken the most rigorous coursework possible at that student's school. Other than that, you seem to assume that because the majority of applicants to UVA are not accepted that those who are rejected or waitlisted are not top students. That is simply not true. Every year UVA grows increasingly more difficult to get into both in-state and out-of-state, and I am shocked at the number of top (in-state) students I have known since kindergarten who were rejected or waitlisted for the in-coming class.

[Anonymous]

There's a video of the dean saying that they make their own decision about whether a curriculum is strong enough. Why would they let counselors have that kind of power?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a video of the dean saying that they make their own decision about whether a curriculum is strong enough. Why would they let counselors have that kind of power?

Dean J is above all else a marketing person. Her job is to get your kid to apply so they can reject them. It’s been pointed out over and over that you can drive trucks through her statements. Come on, they received 51,000 applications last year. They are a public admissions office without the resources of a C private. Do you really think they are going to sit there and recalculate Larlo’s most selective classes. They don’t even want you to know there us a Mist Selectivd box and most public high school counselors will sidestep the question when asked. But it’s critical for you to know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a video of the dean saying that they make their own decision about whether a curriculum is strong enough. Why would they let counselors have that kind of power?

Dean J is above all else a marketing person. Her job is to get your kid to apply so they can reject them. It’s been pointed out over and over that you can drive trucks through her statements. Come on, they received 51,000 applications last year. They are a public admissions office without the resources of a C private. Do you really think they are going to sit there and recalculate Larlo’s most selective classes. They don’t even want you to know there us a Mist Selectivd box and most public high school counselors will sidestep the question when asked. But it’s critical for you to know.

The video said that some counselors check "most demanding" once you have a certain number of APs, but they want to see APs across different disciplines. So two students could have the same number of APs and both get the most demanding check, but one might have all the APs in 1-2 subjects while the other spreads them out across all subjects. They'd take the one who has APs in all subjects over the one who focused on 1-2 subjects, even though they both had the check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The majority of UVA applicants don't get in, so this notion that counselors don't let anyone but the top students apply is obviously wrong.

My guess, now having had 3 DCs accepted to UVA in the past 6 years, including for the class of 2026 (all in-state), is that the role of the college counselor as a "gate keeper" for applications to UVA varies by school and the only assumption that can be made is that in order to have a chance at acceptance, the counselor must indicate that the student has taken the most rigorous coursework possible at that student's school. Other than that, you seem to assume that because the majority of applicants to UVA are not accepted that those who are rejected or waitlisted are not top students. That is simply not true. Every year UVA grows increasingly more difficult to get into both in-state and out-of-state, and I am shocked at the number of top (in-state) students I have known since kindergarten who were rejected or waitlisted for the in-coming class.

My kid took 13 APs from a combo of all subjects. If I find out that school counselors are working as gate-keepers, I will lawyer up. That’s at least highly unethical for both FCPS and UVA. These are public school students applying to a state university. UVA should know the high schools by heart or have references in their system. This is not niche exploratory surgery.