Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Putting on my tinfoil hat:

For some reason (probably to smash the Me Too movement to bits), the right ring media is obsessed with taking Lively down.

What if these fake HR complaints—which put forth some truly disturbing (albeit kind of comical) scenarios—were “leaked” by some equally disturbed right wingers to take the wind out of whatever minor-type-stuff is in Lively’s amended complaint tomorrow. So that her kind of “borderline” harassment claims look extra fluffy when we compare them to what we “thought” was coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Putting on my tinfoil hat:

For some reason (probably to smash the Me Too movement to bits), the right ring media is obsessed with taking Lively down.

What if these fake HR complaints—which put forth some truly disturbing (albeit kind of comical) scenarios—were “leaked” by some equally disturbed right wingers to take the wind out of whatever minor-type-stuff is in Lively’s amended complaint tomorrow. So that her kind of “borderline” harassment claims look extra fluffy when we compare them to what we “thought” was coming.

What right wing media? All media is reporting on this. I’m sorry but this is just a beyond insane theory.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Putting on my tinfoil hat:

For some reason (probably to smash the Me Too movement to bits), the right ring media is obsessed with taking Lively down.

What if these fake HR complaints—which put forth some truly disturbing (albeit kind of comical) scenarios—were “leaked” by some equally disturbed right wingers to take the wind out of whatever minor-type-stuff is in Lively’s amended complaint tomorrow. So that her kind of “borderline” harassment claims look extra fluffy when we compare them to what we “thought” was coming.

What right wing media? All media is reporting on this. I’m sorry but this is just a beyond insane theory.

Hence the tin foil hat. What do you think their purpose is? No way Lively or Baldoni made these up. You think it’s just for clicks?

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I’m sorry that this happened to you but she sent gushing texts after filming was done. She didn’t have to work with him anymore. Her job isn’t like your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I’m sorry that this happened to you but she sent gushing texts after filming was done. She didn’t have to work with him anymore. Her job isn’t like your job.

And how do we know she wasn't up for another role in a Wayfarer production or something directed by a friend of Baldoni?

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I’m sorry that this happened to you but she sent gushing texts after filming was done. She didn’t have to work with him anymore. Her job isn’t like your job.

Disagree, I think that's exactly how Hollywood works -- everyone gushing over how amazing everyone else is and kissing butt and lots of people who are thin-skinned and insecure and you have to be careful not to cross them or they'll bad mouth you to everyone they know and you'll "never have lunch in this town again." Just because filming for this movie was over doesn't mean she's never going to cross paths with him again. This was her first movie. She probably spent the entire time telling everyone how grateful she was for the experience.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I’m sorry that this happened to you but she sent gushing texts after filming was done. She didn’t have to work with him anymore. Her job isn’t like your job.

Disagree, I think that's exactly how Hollywood works -- everyone gushing over how amazing everyone else is and kissing butt and lots of people who are thin-skinned and insecure and you have to be careful not to cross them or they'll bad mouth you to everyone they know and you'll "never have lunch in this town again." Just because filming for this movie was over doesn't mean she's never going to cross paths with him again. This was her first movie. She probably spent the entire time telling everyone how grateful she was for the experience.

+1

If anything, the Lively and Baldoni texts prove how fake the industry is.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I think the HR claim is fake. But I think women historically have said all kinds of nice public-facing things about their abusers/harassers.

At work, even when we are told are supervisor reviews are anonymous/confidential, I still never review my boss. Because if I put bad things in writing, they’ll tell her what she needs to improve on, and she’ll just then know her employees think she’s not great. And that won’t help anything. When you lack power, it’s easy to feel like the best course of action is to lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

But Blake is a middle aged billionaire. It's not the same thing as being young, it's just not. I worked in a field that is infamous for sexual assault and harassment. I was sexually harassed all the time and twice I had to literally fight a man off me. So I'm not naive about how bad things can be. But I'm Blake's age now, and I'm a lot harder to sexually harass. I still deal with inappropriate stuff (my boss always calls me beautiful, it's probably harmless but I'm over it). But the kind of pervasive sexual harassment Blake describes usually only occurs in a setting with a power differential. And in Blake's case, she was the powerful one. I think she's just full of crap and using this to get her way. Women can be evil, too.

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The powerful people here are Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, not Justin Baldoni.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

But Blake is a middle aged billionaire. It's not the same thing as being young, it's just not. I worked in a field that is infamous for sexual assault and harassment. I was sexually harassed all the time and twice I had to literally fight a man off me. So I'm not naive about how bad things can be. But I'm Blake's age now, and I'm a lot harder to sexually harass. I still deal with inappropriate stuff (my boss always calls me beautiful, it's probably harmless but I'm over it). But the kind of pervasive sexual harassment Blake describes usually only occurs in a setting with a power differential. And in Blake's case, she was the powerful one. I think she's just full of crap and using this to get her way. Women can be evil, too.

PP here. We're talking about Isabel Ferrer, who was in her early 20s and it was her first movie. There's an unsubstantiated rumor floating around that she filed an HR complaint that alleged some pretty bad behavior by Baldoni, and people are talking about whether that's plausible given that after she finished filming she sent Baldoni and effusive and highly complimentary text thanking him for the experience.

I'm not speaking to Lively's situation which is different than what I experienced. I'm simply stating that based on my experience as a young and low status worker who was sexually assaulted and harassed at work, I find it totally plausible that she would send a text like that anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting on my tinfoil hat:

For some reason (probably to smash the Me Too movement to bits), the right ring media is obsessed with taking Lively down.

What if these fake HR complaints—which put forth some truly disturbing (albeit kind of comical) scenarios—were “leaked” by some equally disturbed right wingers to take the wind out of whatever minor-type-stuff is in Lively’s amended complaint tomorrow. So that her kind of “borderline” harassment claims look extra fluffy when we compare them to what we “thought” was coming.

What right wing media? All media is reporting on this. I’m sorry but this is just a beyond insane theory.

Hence the tin foil hat. What do you think their purpose is? No way Lively or Baldoni made these up. You think it’s just for clicks?

I have no clue. Maybe some crazy BL fan made them up.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they going to prove that Justin retaliated by planning a SMEAR campaign on only BLAKE LIVELY if he allegedly harassed two other actresses on set as well? Did he try to retaliate against them too. Hmmmmm

I guess we'll see? Lively made a much bigger deal of her complaints and almost didn't return to film after the strike and is also a bigger pain in the ass in general, so yes, it makes sense to me she'd be the main target of retaliation. That's if all this latest nonsense is true, which I doubt.

It’s because Blake had Ryan pushing this. Ryan Reynolds is quite a force behind this.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

I was sexually harassed and assaulted at work. The person was a direct supervisor and very powerful within my organization. I was young and at a very low level at the company -- one of the lowest paid people there. I know I said effusive things to that supervisor, multiple times, while working there, even after the incident where they assaulted me. Some might even have been in writing.

The thing was -- that's how everyone spoke there, especially to this supervisor. It was the culture. You said effusively complimentary things about everyone but especially people in management. This particular supervisor was incredibly insecure and when they didn't feel "supported," they could be vindictive and vicious. It was how you protected yourself. It's how you got through the day, deflected unwanted attention or criticism, etc.

If I was treated the same way now, I would speak up immediately and I wouldn't compliment that person. I'd report it to HR. I'd quit. Back then, I didn't feel like I had the right. I doubted myself. I thought things like "maybe I'm overreacting" or "maybe this is what it's like everywhere, and I need to toughen up." I didn't understand my rights. I was also really insecure and I just wanted people to like me.

I’m sorry that this happened to you but she sent gushing texts after filming was done. She didn’t have to work with him anymore. Her job isn’t like your job.

And how do we know she wasn't up for another role in a Wayfarer production or something directed by a friend of Baldoni?

And how do we know she wasn’t promised a big role in a production by RR and representation by Ari Emanuel?