Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Ok more specific details coming out about harassment of Jenny Slate and Isabela Ferrer. I'm just going to cut and paste from the subreddit:

Jenny Slate

Baldoni put hands on actresses butt, and said he was helping with posture. He explained he was married. Actress said it wasn't ok. Bladoni said go see HR. She did! 3 hours later, he apologised.

Isabela Ferrer

Baldoni asked her if she ever had an orgasm on camera. Actress asks why he is asking as a climax is not scripted in scene. Baldoni leans in and whispers "I think we should add it in. Show me what you got". She said she didn't want to. Director said she couldn't hold up filming. Actress felt she had to. Baldoni placed his hands on her outer thighs and stated "come on, you can do better than that." Baldoni was so close she could feel his breath causing her makeup to mist up. He said "you know how hot this is, right?". He asked her to practise the scene again. This time he was closer, virtually locking her in place, in a very intimate embrace. A differenct actress came on set and waved. At which point Baldoni broke the embrace. At which point the make up need to be redone.

So we're talking actual sexual assault now.

If these allegations are true and these actresses are willing to go on the record, this is deeply disturbing.

Wow.

This. Changes. Everything.

Are you telling me Blake Lively isn’t the liar? I’m just so shocked. Colleen Hoover and Taylor Swift need to bend the knee to Khaleesi for daring to pull away from her. So they will be as stunned as we are!

This legit sounds like fanfic.

I tried to mimic the diction of the moron who tripped over herself to share this breaking news here.

Really well done. Bravo

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Anonymous wrote:How are they going to prove that Justin retaliated by planning a SMEAR campaign on only BLAKE LIVELY if he allegedly harassed two other actresses on set as well? Did he try to retaliate against them too. Hmmmmm

Right?!

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the Jenny Slate one said that when Baldoni apologize, he said “I’ll sorry we got off on the wrong foot.” And she replied, “you got off all right, but it had nothing to do with a foot.”

Suss.

Lol. +1 for Slate and her quick repartee, if true. (She used to be a performer on SNL after all, until she said the f word live.) I'm no fan of Lively but actually am a real fan of Slate's (I've seen many of her movies including her full length movie involving Marcel the Shell, which was adorable) and I like her very much, and this very much sounds like something she would come up with on the fly, but I'll withhold judgment until the amended complaint is filed.

That…isn’t witty repartee. It’s hammy and corny and sounds scripted a dork 1.5-2x Jenny Slate’s age. Lol. lol. Lolz for days. And I’ve seen Marcel the Shell with shoes on, too.

Your pulled-out-of-your-butt commentary really hurts this thread more than it helps. Try contributing something useful? I’m going to start just ignoring negative value comments like this.

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Anonymous wrote:My gross self cannot wait to see Taylor Swift called to testify.

+1. She must be enraged.

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Anonymous wrote:My gross self cannot wait to see Taylor Swift called to testify.

+1. She must be enraged.

Clearly as she has had nothing to do with Blake since she was exposed as a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:My gross self cannot wait to see Taylor Swift called to testify.

+1. She must be enraged.

Clearly as she has had nothing to do with Blake since she was exposed as a liar.

TS is a media machine. She wants people to think she had nothing to do with it, but I don't believe it. She's been BFFs with Blake for a decade. She probably egged on some of it.

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I do agree that if my friend was accusing someone of SH I would be making a public statement and standing by her side. The silence is telling.

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Anonymous wrote:My gross self cannot wait to see Taylor Swift called to testify.

+1. She must be enraged.

Clearly as she has had nothing to do with Blake since she was exposed as a liar.

TS is a media machine. She wants people to think she had nothing to do with it, but I don't believe it. She's been BFFs with Blake for a decade. She probably egged on some of it.

Egged on what?

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Anonymous wrote:I do agree that if my friend was accusing someone of SH I would be making a public statement and standing by her side. The silence is telling.

So would I! I wouldn’t let my best friend go down like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

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Anonymous wrote:How are they going to prove that Justin retaliated by planning a SMEAR campaign on only BLAKE LIVELY if he allegedly harassed two other actresses on set as well? Did he try to retaliate against them too. Hmmmmm

I guess we'll see? Lively made a much bigger deal of her complaints and almost didn't return to film after the strike and is also a bigger pain in the ass in general, so yes, it makes sense to me she'd be the main target of retaliation. That's if all this latest nonsense is true, which I doubt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok more specific details coming out about harassment of Jenny Slate and Isabela Ferrer. I'm just going to cut and paste from the subreddit:

Jenny Slate

Baldoni put hands on actresses butt, and said he was helping with posture. He explained he was married. Actress said it wasn't ok. Bladoni said go see HR. She did! 3 hours later, he apologised.

Isabela Ferrer

Baldoni asked her if she ever had an orgasm on camera. Actress asks why he is asking as a climax is not scripted in scene. Baldoni leans in and whispers "I think we should add it in. Show me what you got". She said she didn't want to. Director said she couldn't hold up filming. Actress felt she had to. Baldoni placed his hands on her outer thighs and stated "come on, you can do better than that." Baldoni was so close she could feel his breath causing her makeup to mist up. He said "you know how hot this is, right?". He asked her to practise the scene again. This time he was closer, virtually locking her in place, in a very intimate embrace. A differenct actress came on set and waved. At which point Baldoni broke the embrace. At which point the make up need to be redone.

So we're talking actual sexual assault now.

If these allegations are true and these actresses are willing to go on the record, this is deeply disturbing.

Wow.

This. Changes. Everything.

Are you telling me Blake Lively isn’t the liar? I’m just so shocked. Colleen Hoover and Taylor Swift need to bend the knee to Khaleesi for daring to pull away from her. So they will be as stunned as we are!

This legit sounds like fanfic.

+1
And I’m
Trying to be objective here but even the details seem off. Like first off all HE is the director. So what is that about “the director said she couldn’t hold up filming”?? Second, JB’s character Ryle is not in any scenes with Ferrer’s character where he would need to be “locked in an embrace” with her so this makes no sense even in the context of the film. I’m so confused. Who was she supposed to be having the orgasm with? Shouldn’t that actor have been the one close to her and with his hands in her thighs or whatever? In what world would that have been JB?

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

The bolded is very believable in Hollywood, sadly. I can picture a director guilting a young actress about how he's so upset that she took it that way because he is a feminist and so dedicated to making the set a safe space that she either gets gaslighted into believing it or gets the drift that it's what he needs to hear to keep her career going. To me that scenario is more plausible than Lively getting her to lie now, with an existing court case, meaning she'll have to commit perjury (I suppose that's possible, but not as plausible).

That's if these claims are true. The whole complaint from Ferrer is probably fabricated, I'm just saying if she did in fact put her name behind this complaint, I will give it some credibility. She'll still have to be cross examined and explain the points you raised, but I would listen with an open mind.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

The bolded is very believable in Hollywood, sadly. I can picture a director guilting a young actress about how he's so upset that she took it that way because he is a feminist and so dedicated to making the set a safe space that she either gets gaslighted into believing it or gets the drift that it's what he needs to hear to keep her career going. To me that scenario is more plausible than Lively getting her to lie now, with an existing court case, meaning she'll have to commit perjury (I suppose that's possible, but not as plausible).

That's if these claims are true. The whole complaint from Ferrer is probably fabricated, I'm just saying if she did in fact put her name behind this complaint, I will give it some credibility. She'll still have to be cross examined and explain the points you raised, but I would listen with an open mind.

To keep her career going? No one even knew who Justin Baldoni was before this mess. But everyone knew who BL and RR were. Maybe she is trying to satisfy them by now making up this story to keep her career going?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if Freedman gets to cross Ferrar after those texts she sent JB.

This is a gross thing to say. What if the allegation here is true? Are you still gleeful at the idea of someone with Freedman's personality throwing Ferrar's texts in her face? As another poster pointed out, it's totally reasonable that someone in Ferrar's position would send a text like that even if she was treated very poorly on set because it was her first movie an her was the director and she would be scared to be viewed as a complainer or "hard to work with" so early in her career.

What’s the verified allegation? Stop getting hysterical.

Who's hysterical? If it's a real complaint, she should be treated respectfully and allowed to tell her story. If it's a fake complaint, she's not involved at all and won't testify. It's weird to think the complaint might be real but then to be thrilled by the prospect of her being dismantled on the stand by an aggressive attorney.

It’s called the art of cross examination.

Oh I know what it is. I think it's weird to be excited about it. We're not talking about a murderer or someone who extorted money or abused their family. We're talking about a young woman who may have felt very uncomfortable with her director's behavior towards her while filming a sex scene. It's weird to be excited about someone like that being subject to "the art of cross examination." This isn't someone who did anything wrong. There's no lie for her to be caught in. You're just excited about a lawyer known for being brash and kind of mean having a chance to go after her. That's weird.

I have respect for other attorneys that are masters at what they do.

She shouldn’t have written a gushing email after filming wrapped praising what a great director JB was and about how safe she felt if it wasn’t true. She’s an adult. She’s not some little girl.

If she did, does that mean that it's okay if Baldoni harassed her? Because she didn't do the perfect thing later? So even if he harassed her, she should be dragged over the coals for her subsequent text while he gets off with nothing?

You are only held accountable for sexual harassment if your victim makes zero mistakes after it happens, is that it?

The point is not that it makes it okay for Baldoni to have harassed her. The point is that it makes her CLAIM less credible.
If she wanted her claim ti be credible/believed by others, sending a glowingly complimentary text gushing to your harasser about how safe he made you feel during the entire filming experience does not help to underscire your claim. In fact, it negates it or at the very least, introduces confusion about whether or not it actually occurred.
Because the natural reaction of most people who have been harassed is NOT to voluntarily send an effusively glowing text to their abuser out of the blue.
It’s one thing to keep the peace and not make waves. It’s another thing entirely for her to go out of her way to thank him specifically for the environment and safe space he created since that would completely negate her prior(?) claim.

The bolded is very believable in Hollywood, sadly. I can picture a director guilting a young actress about how he's so upset that she took it that way because he is a feminist and so dedicated to making the set a safe space that she either gets gaslighted into believing it or gets the drift that it's what he needs to hear to keep her career going. To me that scenario is more plausible than Lively getting her to lie now, with an existing court case, meaning she'll have to commit perjury (I suppose that's possible, but not as plausible).

That's if these claims are true. The whole complaint from Ferrer is probably fabricated, I'm just saying if she did in fact put her name behind this complaint, I will give it some credibility. She'll still have to be cross examined and explain the points you raised, but I would listen with an open mind.

To keep her career going? No one even knew who Justin Baldoni was before this mess. But everyone knew who BL and RR were. Maybe she is trying to satisfy them by now making up this story to keep her career going?

PP. I don't rule that out either. If this complaint is confirmed to be from her, then I'll hear her out before making judgment.