FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

It is huge - that will be unwieldy.

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

What's that about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

Hopefully, some other WSHS parents will catch on and stop the process. It can’t possibly be fair when 2 people from the same school will push the rest of us out.

I don't know - I would hope they'd advocate for no one to have to leave WSHS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So it appears this GIS tool is designed to play around with boundaries on a map to "capture" the right amount of non-poor kids just outside of an existing low-SES HS boundary.

The options to make this whole thing work appear to be:
1) cut over entire high SES elementary schools to adjacent low-SES pyramid
pros: only affects a concentrated localized population
cons: maximum disruption to that population
2) adjust the majority of ES boundaries across multiple pyramids to 'equitize' two adjacent high schools
pros: maintains proximity, community, transportation
cons: highest level of disruption, potentially affects all not living a stone's throw from elementary school
3) low-SES high school pyramid captures adjacent high-SES high school student population,
pros: minimizes the breadth of population disruption within donor pyramids
cons: maximizes negative impact on that population (proximity, community, transportation)

The unspoken con for each of these options is that it results in papering up the low-SES high school to mask instead of help its failing student population.

I am in the WSHS pyramid and am thinking how terrible the consequences could be for a Hunt Valley family that is told either Saratoga is their new ES, or HVES is now cutover to Lewis.

This just made it more obvious that HVES will shift to Lewis.

Didn’t HVES go to Lewis before South County opened, or at least a portion of it? I was researching the redistricting that occurred when South County was built and HV had been pushing to be included in South County. It was ultimately decided that Mason Neck would be zoned to South County instead because the kids had close to an hour long one way bus ride to get to Hayfield and South County is much closer geographically to Mason Neck. However, as a compromise to HV (either the whole school or a neighborhood- they were rezoned from Lewis to WSHS.) This situation has been created over the past 20 years by continuing to move middle class areas out of Lewis.

Parts of HVES (a few neighborhoods south of the parkway, NOT the whole school) were zoned for HV, Key, Lewis. The rest were zoned for Irving and WSHS, so HVES at the time was a split feeder. I don’t think the neighborhoods south of the parkway were clamoring to go to the, at the time, new South County HS one way or another - I’ve heard some people say they were trying to avoid it but I don’t think that was the case. The original plan was to continue HVES as a split feeder but to send those neighborhoods to Lake Braddock instead, which had lost some students to SC when it opened. However the families in the few south of the parkway HV neighborhoods complained about the length of the commute, and they were instead reassigned to WSHS to fix the split feeder. You can see the vestige of the Lake Braddock vs WSHS decision with the fact that the neighborhood at the top of Pohick Rd right by the parkway goes to Sangster and Lake Braddock.

That's actually incorrect. I researched this in our neighborhood's listserv archives and the issue back then wasn't with Lewis, which was then Lee HS. The neighborhoods originally were in the WSHS boundary but were assigned to Lee in the 1980s. But that meant that the Gambrill Road kids went to HVES, Irving and then Lee. When South County HS opened, the neighborhoods asked that the kids be returned to WSHS because the kids would lose all of their friends from ES and MS when they got to HS. The school board agreed. That was about 20 years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2005/01/13/destination-of-south-hunt-valley-students-remains-in-flux/ac78799f-a654-4be5-abdc-ee104284ffec/

Students who live in South Hunt Valley, which straddles the Fairfax County Parkway and includes the Middle Valley, Scarborough and Burgoyne Forest neighborhoods, currently go to Lee High School. School staff members have recommended moving the students to Lake Braddock Secondary School, a shift many parents oppose because it would mean one-way bus rides of 45 or 50 minutes for their children.

Board member Daniel G. Storck (Mount Vernon) said that because there is not enough room at the south county school for the South Hunt Valley children, they should be sent to the second-closest school, West Springfield High School. The shift would allow those families to be part of a community school, he said, where children will attend classes with friends they meet through local sports leagues, community groups and churches.
"We need to address it now," Storck said during a Monday afternoon work session.

I'm the PP and I don't know what else to say, 'cause the people in our neighhorhood who dealt with this all of years ago don't live here anymore. That's what the messages in the archives said. I was in college in 2005 so I have no other visibility into it. Honestly, I can see why they wanted to do WSHS instead of LBSS because it is a lot closer to our neighborhood. Also because their kids had apparently gone to ES and MS with the WSHS kids.

There was a lot of wheeling and dealing going on with the South County boundaries, and I don’t think they were set until a few months before the school opened. So perhaps there was movement on the neighborhood mailing list and it sounded like Dan Storck (now on the BOS!) came out with the “all of HV to WSHS” plan out of the clear blue when the neighborhoods rejected LB.

I THINK they allowed grandfathering of any current 10-12 students when SC opened, and siblings too if siblings were grades 7-9. People are assuming they’ll allow that with any boundary changes this round too, but they may be surprised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

Hopefully, some other WSHS parents will catch on and stop the process. It can’t possibly be fair when 2 people from the same school will push the rest of us out.

I don't know - I would hope they'd advocate for no one to have to leave WSHS.

I agree, but you can bet that as soon as it is decided someone has to go (which they will), these two will be all about self protection. It isn’t fair to everyone else. Do they even discuss the fairness of the process and how they should be unbiased? Doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:So it appears this GIS tool is designed to play around with boundaries on a map to "capture" the right amount of non-poor kids just outside of an existing low-SES HS boundary.

The options to make this whole thing work appear to be:
1) cut over entire high SES elementary schools to adjacent low-SES pyramid
pros: only affects a concentrated localized population
cons: maximum disruption to that population
2) adjust the majority of ES boundaries across multiple pyramids to 'equitize' two adjacent high schools
pros: maintains proximity, community, transportation
cons: highest level of disruption, potentially affects all not living a stone's throw from elementary school
3) low-SES high school pyramid captures adjacent high-SES high school student population,
pros: minimizes the breadth of population disruption within donor pyramids
cons: maximizes negative impact on that population (proximity, community, transportation)

The unspoken con for each of these options is that it results in papering up the low-SES high school to mask instead of help its failing student population.

I am in the WSHS pyramid and am thinking how terrible the consequences could be for a Hunt Valley family that is told either Saratoga is their new ES, or HVES is now cutover to Lewis.

This just made it more obvious that HVES will shift to Lewis.

Didn’t HVES go to Lewis before South County opened, or at least a portion of it? I was researching the redistricting that occurred when South County was built and HV had been pushing to be included in South County. It was ultimately decided that Mason Neck would be zoned to South County instead because the kids had close to an hour long one way bus ride to get to Hayfield and South County is much closer geographically to Mason Neck. However, as a compromise to HV (either the whole school or a neighborhood- they were rezoned from Lewis to WSHS.) This situation has been created over the past 20 years by continuing to move middle class areas out of Lewis.

Parts of HVES (a few neighborhoods south of the parkway, NOT the whole school) were zoned for HV, Key, Lewis. The rest were zoned for Irving and WSHS, so HVES at the time was a split feeder. I don’t think the neighborhoods south of the parkway were clamoring to go to the, at the time, new South County HS one way or another - I’ve heard some people say they were trying to avoid it but I don’t think that was the case. The original plan was to continue HVES as a split feeder but to send those neighborhoods to Lake Braddock instead, which had lost some students to SC when it opened. However the families in the few south of the parkway HV neighborhoods complained about the length of the commute, and they were instead reassigned to WSHS to fix the split feeder. You can see the vestige of the Lake Braddock vs WSHS decision with the fact that the neighborhood at the top of Pohick Rd right by the parkway goes to Sangster and Lake Braddock.

That's actually incorrect. I researched this in our neighborhood's listserv archives and the issue back then wasn't with Lewis, which was then Lee HS. The neighborhoods originally were in the WSHS boundary but were assigned to Lee in the 1980s. But that meant that the Gambrill Road kids went to HVES, Irving and then Lee. When South County HS opened, the neighborhoods asked that the kids be returned to WSHS because the kids would lose all of their friends from ES and MS when they got to HS. The school board agreed. That was about 20 years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2005/01/13/destination-of-south-hunt-valley-students-remains-in-flux/ac78799f-a654-4be5-abdc-ee104284ffec/

Students who live in South Hunt Valley, which straddles the Fairfax County Parkway and includes the Middle Valley, Scarborough and Burgoyne Forest neighborhoods, currently go to Lee High School. School staff members have recommended moving the students to Lake Braddock Secondary School, a shift many parents oppose because it would mean one-way bus rides of 45 or 50 minutes for their children.

Board member Daniel G. Storck (Mount Vernon) said that because there is not enough room at the south county school for the South Hunt Valley children, they should be sent to the second-closest school, West Springfield High School. The shift would allow those families to be part of a community school, he said, where children will attend classes with friends they meet through local sports leagues, community groups and churches.
"We need to address it now," Storck said during a Monday afternoon work session.

I'm the PP and I don't know what else to say, 'cause the people in our neighhorhood who dealt with this all of years ago don't live here anymore. That's what the messages in the archives said. I was in college in 2005 so I have no other visibility into it. Honestly, I can see why they wanted to do WSHS instead of LBSS because it is a lot closer to our neighborhood. Also because their kids had apparently gone to ES and MS with the WSHS kids.

There was a lot of wheeling and dealing going on with the South County boundaries, and I don’t think they were set until a few months before the school opened. So perhaps there was movement on the neighborhood mailing list and it sounded like Dan Storck (now on the BOS!) came out with the “all of HV to WSHS” plan out of the clear blue when the neighborhoods rejected LB.

I THINK they allowed grandfathering of any current 10-12 students when SC opened, and siblings too if siblings were grades 7-9. People are assuming they’ll allow that with any boundary changes this round too, but they may be surprised.

I would be surprised if they do it and I think many people will be as well. The board clearly voted to allow them to cut grandfathering at their whim, otherwise the amendment brought up by Dr. Anderson and Lady would have passed.

[Anonymous]

Why does Woodson get three representatives on the committee when other pyramids only get two? The crazy third representative, a well known suck-up to FCPS, cannot have been selected at random.

This committee has no credibility from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does Woodson get three representatives on the committee when other pyramids only get two? The crazy third representative, a well known suck-up to FCPS, cannot have been selected at random.

This committee has no credibility from the start.

Omg there she is again. lol. What’s her deal anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

Hopefully, some other WSHS parents will catch on and stop the process. It can’t possibly be fair when 2 people from the same school will push the rest of us out.

I don't know - I would hope they'd advocate for no one to have to leave WSHS.

I agree, but you can bet that as soon as it is decided someone has to go (which they will), these two will be all about self protection. It isn’t fair to everyone else. Do they even discuss the fairness of the process and how they should be unbiased? Doubt it.

Do you know them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

Hopefully, some other WSHS parents will catch on and stop the process. It can’t possibly be fair when 2 people from the same school will push the rest of us out.

I don't know - I would hope they'd advocate for no one to have to leave WSHS.

I agree, but you can bet that as soon as it is decided someone has to go (which they will), these two will be all about self protection. It isn’t fair to everyone else. Do they even discuss the fairness of the process and how they should be unbiased? Doubt it.

Do you know them?

Nope- my kids are at a different elementary, not Hunt Valley. I’m sure they are upstanding citizens. Though they are my “contacts for the boundary process” our PTA has not announced this at a PTA meeting or put out their emails as people I should get in contact with my concerns.

“ Lastly, towards the end of the PTA meeting, Suzanne Dickey announced that she has been selected to be a part of the Boundary Review Advisory Committee (BRAC). Mr. Cory Cress ([e-mail]), a community member, also joined the meeting and identified himself as the other BRAC member that was selected for the West Springfield High School pyramid. He resides within the HVES school zone and has children attending Irving Middle School and West Springfield High School.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3c6cf98

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

BOTH of the picks from WSHS are from Hunt Valley

Haha. I bet they are.

As a HVES parent I would like to personally thank the fake news article that lit a fire within our community.

Hopefully, some other WSHS parents will catch on and stop the process. It can’t possibly be fair when 2 people from the same school will push the rest of us out.

I don't know - I would hope they'd advocate for no one to have to leave WSHS.

I agree, but you can bet that as soon as it is decided someone has to go (which they will), these two will be all about self protection. It isn’t fair to everyone else. Do they even discuss the fairness of the process and how they should be unbiased? Doubt it.

Do you know them?

Nope- my kids are at a different elementary, not Hunt Valley. I’m sure they are upstanding citizens. Though they are my “contacts for the boundary process” our PTA has not announced this at a PTA meeting or put out their emails as people I should get in contact with my concerns.

“ Lastly, towards the end of the PTA meeting, Suzanne Dickey announced that she has been selected to be a part of the Boundary Review Advisory Committee (BRAC). Mr. Cory Cress ([e-mail]), a community member, also joined the meeting and identified himself as the other BRAC member that was selected for the West Springfield High School pyramid. He resides within the HVES school zone and has children attending Irving Middle School and West Springfield High School.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/VAEDUFCPS/bulletins/3c6cf98

Funny how that works, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

It is huge - that will be unwieldy.

It's theater. The school board is going to do what they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Committee members are up!

https://www.fcps.edu/members-superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

Anyone see anything particularly interesting?

It is huge - that will be unwieldy.

It's theater. The school board is going to do what they want.

They will use their BRAC plants to negatively characterize BRAC parents as protecting their localities.

[Anonymous]

Region 1 meeting tonight - parents coming in engaged and united against boundary moves (and respectful). Had an overflow room in the library because they couldn’t accommodate everyone in the cafeteria.

It’s a real harbinger of what’s to come when they release maps in a few months.

Meren at the end was saying that they are striving for minimal disruption and are discussing whether family should have more choice. I think she’s getting spooked because people are starting to push for the school board’s kids to be redistricted too.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the committee was chosen at random.

It is clear that there is an agenda--and it is not academic excellence.