Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:The upshot of this is working with Blake Lively is apparently very difficult and requires you to be at her beck and call and take abuse from her husband because he is a powerful actor. I wonder what director and producer will sign up for that headache when they can just hire a blond actress who will do the job and go home. Which is what ACTORS are paid for.

She was also an executive producer. Just like Justin was an ACTOR and a director.

Her executive producer credit was added later. She was only hired to act, she got a "producer" credit early on but that's a meaningless title that us often thrown out to appease stars. It was only after she majorly interfered in the production that she demanded the executive producer credit and later even asked she get the "p.g.a." title which normally an actor would never get and that everyone else on the production opposed her getting.

According to his complaint, she had the executive producer role from the beginning. It was part of the original negotations. It is on page 17, point 27.

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Anonymous wrote:The upshot of this is working with Blake Lively is apparently very difficult and requires you to be at her beck and call and take abuse from her husband because he is a powerful actor. I wonder what director and producer will sign up for that headache when they can just hire a blond actress who will do the job and go home. Which is what ACTORS are paid for.

It's funny, the men are never difficult. Divas can only be women, amirite?

Do you think that every director who works with Blake wants the abusive experience that Justin Baldoni had? The answer is no. The solution is nor to work with Blake so you don't have to put up with hunky Ryan and Blake's buddy Taylor telling you how to run your own movie. Sorry, It's just logic. Directors want actors who know how to get along with people, whether they are women or men.

[Anonymous]

Both men and women can be difficult on set. Plenty of evidence of both.

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Anonymous wrote:The upshot of this is working with Blake Lively is apparently very difficult and requires you to be at her beck and call and take abuse from her husband because he is a powerful actor. I wonder what director and producer will sign up for that headache when they can just hire a blond actress who will do the job and go home. Which is what ACTORS are paid for.

It's funny, the men are never difficult. Divas can only be women, amirite?

Yes by the fact that the word "diva" is literally for a female

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I’m baffled as to how either one of them thinks this public display of he said/she said by genetically and financially privileged actors kvetching about a few bad days at work could possibly end well…particularly when the court of public opinion is dragged into it thanks to constant media and social media attention.

Nobody likes hearing celebs whine. Nobody.

In the real world, we have real problems.

The Queen was soooo right about the “never complain” part.

I predict both actors won’t work again unless a friend takes pity on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The upshot of this is working with Blake Lively is apparently very difficult and requires you to be at her beck and call and take abuse from her husband because he is a powerful actor. I wonder what director and producer will sign up for that headache when they can just hire a blond actress who will do the job and go home. Which is what ACTORS are paid for.

It's funny, the men are never difficult. Divas can only be women, amirite?

No one has posted anything remotely like that. Of course men can be difficult, and I’m sure Justin is absolutely insufferable. But it doesn’t mean he sexually harassed anyone. It’s looking more and more like he was trying to keep Blake happy and give it into her demands, and when professional lines were blurred it wasn’t completely his fault. In the fact a lot of it was her fault. And Ryan’s of course. No one is just blaming Blake, none of this would’ve happened without Ryan. So if you want to make this a feminist issue, it’s mostly Ryan Reynolds fault because I don’t think she would’ve happened without Ryan.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled as to how either one of them thinks this public display of he said/she said by genetically and financially privileged actors kvetching about a few bad days at work could possibly end well…particularly when the court of public opinion is dragged into it thanks to constant media and social media attention.

Nobody likes hearing celebs whine. Nobody.

In the real world, we have real problems.

The Queen was soooo right about the “never complain” part.

I predict both actors won’t work again unless a friend takes pity on them.

I thought the same. These are pretty petty issues to be discussing over 80 pages and 180 pages.

Blake has a right to bring forward a complaint of sexual harrassment and Justin has a right to defend himself but both complaints and especially Justins have excessive amounts of extraneous information and pettiness that make both look immature.

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline isn't completely clear but she signed onto the project at the end of December 2022, and had her baby mid February. The complaint alleges that almost immediately the conflict over the wardrobe started and that is when they went to her house. So it seems the going to her house might have been shortly after she had given birth and was more of an accommodation for her family status than her wielding power. She may have had provisos in her contract related to her work commitments post birth / while breastfeeding for the first few months.

Just to be clear, she had the baby at the end of January. They publicly announced on Super Bowl Sunday, which was I think February 4, but she had given birth earlier. You can tell she didn’t have much of a baby bump at that point. They deliberately kept the birthdate vague, and her announcement was, “been busy” with a picture of her clearly not pregnant any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled as to how either one of them thinks this public display of he said/she said by genetically and financially privileged actors kvetching about a few bad days at work could possibly end well…particularly when the court of public opinion is dragged into it thanks to constant media and social media attention.

Nobody likes hearing celebs whine. Nobody.

In the real world, we have real problems.

The Queen was soooo right about the “never complain” part.

I predict both actors won’t work again unless a friend takes pity on them.

I thought the same. These are pretty petty issues to be discussing over 80 pages and 180 pages.

Blake has a right to bring forward a complaint of sexual harrassment and Justin has a right to defend himself but both complaints and especially Justins have excessive amounts of extraneous information and pettiness that make both look immature.

+2, they should really have tried to settle this privately. At this point they are both losing because the PR war is damaging both of them and it will hit a point of no return at some point. They are both looking for a definitive win in the court if public opinion but they are just going to burn it all down.

Look at Heard/Depp. He technically "won" but I personally cannot watch Johnny Depp at this point. He's clearly a total a$$hole with a substance abuse problem who is petty and vindictive, and I do think he's abusive even if Heard is also abusive. And she came off terribly as well. By the end it was like "I don't want to hear anymore about these two incredibly dysfunctional people." I don't want to see either of them in movies.

That's where this thing is headed too.

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Personally I haven’t seen anything that shows JB is “insufferable.” People seem to hate him simply for having money and being involved in this case, which they’re bored of. But if BL really did make his life as difficult as it seems, and he capitulated at every turn as it seems, and she still then went and made false allegations as it seems, do we really have to hate him for defending himself in the ways his lawyer is recommending? If he didn’t file this lawsuit, everyone would still be firmly with Blake. I’m not sure what he is supposed to do to continue on in this career as a director, which is presumably what he wants to do. It just seems like a lose lose lose situation.

Or, what am I missing? Because I keep seeing people say, well I guess they both suck. Why. Why does he have to be a terrible person if she’s really falsified accusations?

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline isn't completely clear but she signed onto the project at the end of December 2022, and had her baby mid February. The complaint alleges that almost immediately the conflict over the wardrobe started and that is when they went to her house. So it seems the going to her house might have been shortly after she had given birth and was more of an accommodation for her family status than her wielding power. She may have had provisos in her contract related to her work commitments post birth / while breastfeeding for the first few months.

Just to be clear, she had the baby at the end of January. They publicly announced on Super Bowl Sunday, which was I think February 4, but she had given birth earlier. You can tell she didn’t have much of a baby bump at that point. They deliberately kept the birthdate vague, and her announcement was, “been busy” with a picture of her clearly not pregnant any more.

They announced it on Feb 12. Publically they only released that the baby was born in February.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m baffled as to how either one of them thinks this public display of he said/she said by genetically and financially privileged actors kvetching about a few bad days at work could possibly end well…particularly when the court of public opinion is dragged into it thanks to constant media and social media attention.

Nobody likes hearing celebs whine. Nobody.

In the real world, we have real problems.

The Queen was soooo right about the “never complain” part.

I predict both actors won’t work again unless a friend takes pity on them.

I thought the same. These are pretty petty issues to be discussing over 80 pages and 180 pages.

Blake has a right to bring forward a complaint of sexual harrassment and Justin has a right to defend himself but both complaints and especially Justins have excessive amounts of extraneous information and pettiness that make both look immature.

+2, they should really have tried to settle this privately. At this point they are both losing because the PR war is damaging both of them and it will hit a point of no return at some point. They are both looking for a definitive win in the court if public opinion but they are just going to burn it all down.

Look at Heard/Depp. He technically "won" but I personally cannot watch Johnny Depp at this point. He's clearly a total a$$hole with a substance abuse problem who is petty and vindictive, and I do think he's abusive even if Heard is also abusive. And she came off terribly as well. By the end it was like "I don't want to hear anymore about these two incredibly dysfunctional people." I don't want to see either of them in movies.

That's where this thing is headed too.

She leaked her case to the NYT and then everyone went absolutely crazy at him after that. You really think she was ever going to settle this privately with him? She didn’t want to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline isn't completely clear but she signed onto the project at the end of December 2022, and had her baby mid February. The complaint alleges that almost immediately the conflict over the wardrobe started and that is when they went to her house. So it seems the going to her house might have been shortly after she had given birth and was more of an accommodation for her family status than her wielding power. She may have had provisos in her contract related to her work commitments post birth / while breastfeeding for the first few months.

Just to be clear, she had the baby at the end of January. They publicly announced on Super Bowl Sunday, which was I think February 4, but she had given birth earlier. You can tell she didn’t have much of a baby bump at that point. They deliberately kept the birthdate vague, and her announcement was, “been busy” with a picture of her clearly not pregnant any more.

I just want to note as a woman who has given birth that even if they kept the birthdate vague, asking to do fittings at home in the spring of 2023 after having a baby in the winter of 2023 is reasonable in my book. I don't care if it was 1 month or three. Pregnancy is hard on your body. Also you might have looked at me in clothes within a couple weeks of childbirth and thought "she doesn't have much of a baby bump," but the reality was very different if I was changing in front of you.

There are other things Lively is alleged to have done that sound bad to me, but this isn't one. It honestly sounds trumped up -- stuff gets delivered in Manhattan every day, but Baldoni is alleging that delivering wardrobe to her apartment caused cost overruns? I don't buy it.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I just posted and I have one more long tirade and then I can move on from this.

One of the things I noticed from Justin’s complaint is how often interactions blake framed as problematic happened on Blake’s terms. For example, it sounds like she was uncomfortable in her makeup trailer when she invited Jamey Heath in to talk something over, and they made a joke about him not trying to cop a look when her top fell down or something.

In that interaction, it sounded like Blake was trying to multitask, get some makeup off as her makeup artist, nanny, and assistant were in the trailer and then transition to breast-feeding. She was busy, and she wanted to get the meeting with Jamey done, so she invites him into her trailer. He comes in willingly, probably feels like it’s perfectly safe since there’s three other women there. They are talking, it sounds like Blake is done with make up, makes the transition to breast-feeding, and that’s when something slipped off….she is embarrassed that she catches his eye. And they make a joke.

I’m sorry if she felt uncomfortable, but she was the one with power there.I guarantee that if she was an actress starting out she would not be able to demand a producer come to her make up trailer to have a meeting. I don’t know, it sounds like Jamey really wasn’t trying to do anything wrong here.

Another example if her using her power to cross professional lines is that she demanded the wardrobe be bought to her apartment to have fittings instead of on set and they wanted to meet that demand because again, she’s a busy mom, and she has a lot of power on the set. But if a male in Hollywood had done that, wouldn’t that be problematic? wouldn’t that be setting up a wardrobe person for having a problematic interaction in the non-neutral setting?

Same thing with justin constantly being in Ryan and Blake‘s apartment to go over work. Why was that OK? They should be meeting in a neutral setting to go over the script. It’s totally unprofessional that they bombarded him with the script changes with Taylor Swift in the apartment. It sounded like they had friends over and then they had Justin over. It really blurs the lines, but that’s not Justin’s fault. And I’m sure he felt pressured to go because ultimately he’s the one with less power in this relationship.

The other meeting where Justin was bombarded was also in the apartment where Ryan attacked him for the fat shaming allegation. Which doesn’t even sound like a real thing as he was just inquiring about her weight and that’s not really fat shaming but whatever. Why are these interactions happening in BLAKES apartment and not a neutral setting?

The power imbalance is why I've been very skeptical of her allegations from the start.

And agree she is busy and powerful and using that to get advantage (per PP examples above) but then using some of the same unconventional allowances to her advantage in making allegations.

Or, the power balance is that he was the director.

Except the studio bowed to her every demand and he repeatedly gave in. He was supposed to have the power, but that was only on paper. He really didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I haven’t seen anything that shows JB is “insufferable.” People seem to hate him simply for having money and being involved in this case, which they’re bored of. But if BL really did make his life as difficult as it seems, and he capitulated at every turn as it seems, and she still then went and made false allegations as it seems, do we really have to hate him for defending himself in the ways his lawyer is recommending? If he didn’t file this lawsuit, everyone would still be firmly with Blake. I’m not sure what he is supposed to do to continue on in this career as a director, which is presumably what he wants to do. It just seems like a lose lose lose situation.

Or, what am I missing? Because I keep seeing people say, well I guess they both suck. Why. Why does he have to be a terrible person if she’s really falsified accusations?

I agree. I don’t think any of the details that Justin has brought forth are pretty. The issue with this is that she came out with a list of concerning interactions, but it’s only concerning in certain context. He is adding more context that make it seem a lot less inappropriate.

What is he supposed to do, just let the New York Times article stand without defending himself? He literally has been let go by his agency, his co-host on the podcast quit. He had to come forth and provide these details. Sure they seem kind of maddening, but it paints a very different picture. I just don’t see how he has a choice.