Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The new head of the Army already admitted, in Congressional testimony following this crash, that they should re-evaluate whether it makes sense to have training flights go through that corridor.

This is separate from the FAA's decision to restrict helicopter traffic in that area.

Some of you don't seem to understand that even if the pilots made horrible errors in judgment, they didn't choose to be there at that time. They didn't say "hey you know what would be cool -- let's do my annual night recertification next to a commercial airport at its busiest time! That will be awesome!" They were told, and they are in jobs where you do what you are told. And they died.

They were also told, in writing in class, verbal and in a laminated map instruction card to be at 200 ft altitude and on the east bank of the river.z

See how “following orders works” in a $6,000,000 large helicopter over an urban river area?

And we still don't know why they broke the 200 ft ceiling. There's no way to if the crew was following orders or breaking protocol in that moment. What if the $6m helicopter was improperly serviced and the altimeter reading was incorrect? What if their radar detected an obstacle they had to elevate to go over? What if a member of the crew had an epileptic seizure or a stroke? What if the last minute maneuvers of the plane were taken specifically to avoid the collision but due approved use of night vision goggles, they misjudged the location of the plane?

See how drawing conclusions about what happened based on partial information opens you up to being very wrong? Why not just wait until the investigation is complete and trust the experts to identify the cause of the crash?

[Anonymous]

Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW I’m hearing it was simulating getting a govt official to safety as it was a COG (continuity of government) exercise.

“The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety.”

This is not secret intel, it's a direct CNN quote, so why not say so? These routine simulation exercises were widely covered in the news in the past couple of days.

"The soldiers on the Black Hawk were conducting what Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth described as an annual nighttime training on 'a continuity of government mission.' The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety. Crew members had night vision goggles, the defense secretary said."

Ok … even if training to evacuate VIP’s is necessary, why tf was it necessary for the evacuation route to go through DCA? Makes no sense.

Since you seem to know definitively that it makes no sense, please tell us where does the evacuation route they were training on go from and to (such that it makes no sense to pass by DCA)?

You tell us. It makes no sense for the evacuation route to go through a busy civilian airport - not the least reason being then they have to train pilots in the middle of a busy civilian airport. No, as a resident of DC who has helicopters constantly over my house, I don’t accept it.

No one GAF what random internet bullies “accept”.

Oh, that’s hilarious. The ACTUAL “random internet bullies” are the idiots coming back here again and again to trash the helicopter pilot. DP.

[Anonymous]

CVR indicates AA pilots saw death coming and tried to avoid it by banking and pitching up to climb. No time. I had hoped they didn't know, RIP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new head of the Army already admitted, in Congressional testimony following this crash, that they should re-evaluate whether it makes sense to have training flights go through that corridor.

This is separate from the FAA's decision to restrict helicopter traffic in that area.

Some of you don't seem to understand that even if the pilots made horrible errors in judgment, they didn't choose to be there at that time. They didn't say "hey you know what would be cool -- let's do my annual night recertification next to a commercial airport at its busiest time! That will be awesome!" They were told, and they are in jobs where you do what you are told. And they died.

They were also told, in writing in class, verbal and in a laminated map instruction card to be at 200 ft altitude and on the east bank of the river.z

See how “following orders works” in a $6,000,000 large helicopter over an urban river area?

And we still don't know why they broke the 200 ft ceiling. There's no way to if the crew was following orders or breaking protocol in that moment. What if the $6m helicopter was improperly serviced and the altimeter reading was incorrect? What if their radar detected an obstacle they had to elevate to go over? What if a member of the crew had an epileptic seizure or a stroke? What if the last minute maneuvers of the plane were taken specifically to avoid the collision but due approved use of night vision goggles, they misjudged the location of the plane?

See how drawing conclusions about what happened based on partial information opens you up to being very wrong? Why not just wait until the investigation is complete and trust the experts to identify the cause of the crash?

You are responding to a post that was calling out a BS deflection of “they didn’t choose to be there then, they were following order.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

The sky was not an issue - they confirmed they could see other planes so it wasn’t an issue of weather/fog/clarity etc..

The planes wings had flashing anti collision lights that can be seen several miles away.





Planes aren’t sitting in the sky in stealth mode with the lights out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

ATC was specific, they said a plane was going to land at runway 33. the BH should have known what that meant and what direction the plane would be approaching. Not runway 1, but 33. If the BH crew didn’t know the difference the crew shouldn’t have been flying (for their sake and everyone else’s)

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW I’m hearing it was simulating getting a govt official to safety as it was a COG (continuity of government) exercise.

“The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety.”

This is not secret intel, it's a direct CNN quote, so why not say so? These routine simulation exercises were widely covered in the news in the past couple of days.

"The soldiers on the Black Hawk were conducting what Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth described as an annual nighttime training on 'a continuity of government mission.' The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety. Crew members had night vision goggles, the defense secretary said."

Ok … even if training to evacuate VIP’s is necessary, why tf was it necessary for the evacuation route to go through DCA? Makes no sense.

Since you seem to know definitively that it makes no sense, please tell us where does the evacuation route they were training on go from and to (such that it makes no sense to pass by DCA)?

You tell us. It makes no sense for the evacuation route to go through a busy civilian airport - not the least reason being then they have to train pilots in the middle of a busy civilian airport. No, as a resident of DC who has helicopters constantly over my house, I don’t accept it.

No one GAF what random internet bullies “accept”.

Oh, that’s hilarious. The ACTUAL “random internet bullies” are the idiots coming back here again and again to trash the helicopter pilot. DP.

Those are the bullies…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone posted a video simulation on Reddit of what the sky might have looked like for the helicopter pilots. They probably didn’t see the airplane until they were right in front it. I do believe they were looking at the departing flight to the right when they should have been looking for the descending plane on the left. It seems like the ATC should have been more specific about the location of the plane.

The sky was not an issue - they confirmed they could see other planes so it wasn’t an issue of weather/fog/clarity etc..

The planes wings had flashing anti collision lights that can be seen several miles away.





Planes aren’t sitting in the sky in stealth mode with the lights out.

No, you don’t know this is true for this situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What people fail to understand is that these three crew members didn't independently decide to fly that route at that time. They were assigned. Someone else made that call.

If it was irresponsible to have a Black Hawk running that route on a training mission at that time, then that is on the higher ups who made that call.

Accidents are always possible and there are many, many examples of Black Hawks crashing and killing people. A training mission carries some risk. Even just a standard transport of a personnel to another base carries some risk and the risk goes up if you have a less experienced pilot in command, which this helicopter did.

You cannot direct anger at this helicopter crew the way you would someone joy riding on the highway. They were assigned this task and route, and the person who assigned it was better positioned than they were to know if this was an acceptable risk to take.

Untwist your pretzel brain please.

This route happens all the time, day and night.

This helo had a big problem go down, maybe the investigators will have the guts to tell us the truth of what it was.

They won't. The real leader is currently tweeting about how USAID or maybe the CIA started COVID....?? Hard to keep track of all the crazy cocaine-fueled accusations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new head of the Army already admitted, in Congressional testimony following this crash, that they should re-evaluate whether it makes sense to have training flights go through that corridor.

This is separate from the FAA's decision to restrict helicopter traffic in that area.

Some of you don't seem to understand that even if the pilots made horrible errors in judgment, they didn't choose to be there at that time. They didn't say "hey you know what would be cool -- let's do my annual night recertification next to a commercial airport at its busiest time! That will be awesome!" They were told, and they are in jobs where you do what you are told. And they died.

They were also told, in writing in class, verbal and in a laminated map instruction card to be at 200 ft altitude and on the east bank of the river.z

See how “following orders works” in a $6,000,000 large helicopter over an urban river area?

And we still don't know why they broke the 200 ft ceiling. There's no way to if the crew was following orders or breaking protocol in that moment. What if the $6m helicopter was improperly serviced and the altimeter reading was incorrect? What if their radar detected an obstacle they had to elevate to go over? What if a member of the crew had an epileptic seizure or a stroke? What if the last minute maneuvers of the plane were taken specifically to avoid the collision but due approved use of night vision goggles, they misjudged the location of the plane?

See how drawing conclusions about what happened based on partial information opens you up to being very wrong? Why not just wait until the investigation is complete and trust the experts to identify the cause of the crash?

+1

Stop making assumptions.

[Anonymous]

I think the person on the helicopter radio was distracted and just responded to the tower without paying attention, maybe assumed afterwards that the airport was only using runway 1, and that negligence was compounded by them not sticking to their flight path. They didn’t see the plane, or at least not in time. But it’s clearly negligence on the part of the helicopter crew on the radio because they don’t seem to have had the jet in sight either time they said they did and requested responsibility for not hitting it.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

You are personally snooping around random people's social media? Why?

Therre is no such thing as social media snooping. If one posts somethig that can be veiewed by strangers, it is de facto public.

Why are you doing it?

People who are saying that scrubbed social media to hide facts are stupid. The investigators will have access to ALL the facts. They will deep dive everything including all pilots histories.

There is no legitimate need to the public to see this and start ridiculous smearing and grasping at straws.

Exactly. The investigators need it. The no lifer, chronically online public does not.

+1

Don’t feed the bullies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think people are especially interested in the VIP part of the flight because Trump himself started the whole conversation pointing fingers at the pilot and the ATC. Because he is so toxic and inhuman at times, it’s natural to wonder whether he himself is at fault somehow and/or was trying to draw attention elsewhere. I don’t know why some people here are so insistent that the VIP leg of the trip (if there was one) is totally irrelevant. That just makes no sense. Like, okay it’s irrelevant if you want to blame the pilot and DEI and the Biden administration where she served as an aide or whatever. But of course it’s not irrelevant if this helo flight was happening at this high traffic time because the helo had to return to base after an unnecessary VIP trip for Kid Rock. Let’s be real here.

Yes, the VIP aspect is relevant. Would not surprise me if it was Musk since he is taking over the government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FWIW I’m hearing it was simulating getting a govt official to safety as it was a COG (continuity of government) exercise.

“The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety.”

This is not secret intel, it's a direct CNN quote, so why not say so? These routine simulation exercises were widely covered in the news in the past couple of days.

"The soldiers on the Black Hawk were conducting what Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth described as an annual nighttime training on 'a continuity of government mission.' The missions are routine: In the event of a catastrophe, helicopters are often employed to usher government officials to safety. Crew members had night vision goggles, the defense secretary said."

Ok … even if training to evacuate VIP’s is necessary, why tf was it necessary for the evacuation route to go through DCA? Makes no sense.

Since you seem to know definitively that it makes no sense, please tell us where does the evacuation route they were training on go from and to (such that it makes no sense to pass by DCA)?

There are published helicopter routes, which go right by DCA every day. They’ve been talking about this in the news since day one. It’s not that they “just decided” to go by DCA, this was one of the approved helicopter routes… training or not.

They were outside that route-- too close to DCA and too high.

… and that’s the consequence of having a training route next to a civilian airport.

Are you saying they’re all that incompetent they can’t stay on a river bank path at a consistent altitude on a clear night?

Cancel the whole program then. Call DOGE.

DOGE will probably try to fire the dead pilots or put them on admin leave.