Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

Oh hell no. Leave Brene out of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I listened again to that part about never being betrayed again to make sure I heard Jen right. She said she doesn’t have to worry about it happening again because now she’s paying attention. Then Glennon was like, “you aren’t saying you won’t ever get betrayed again cause who the heck knows, you are saying you won’t betray yourself again.” To which, Jen says, “exactly.” But that’s not what she said or meant but she liked the words Glennon put in her mouth too.

I feel like these two ladies are control freaks, they only have people in their lives who enjoy orbiting their world, agreeing with all of their mantras. Even Abby a world class athlete, the female GOAT soccer player becomes a sycophant around Glennon. What is this power that Jen and Glennon have to manipulate women?

This is the saddest part of all of it IMHO - how Abby got roped into this. I wish she could see and understand she became Glennon's target at that book conference because Glennon saw her as an opportunity to leverage her way up in the world of fame and fortune. As others have said, Glennon didn't just fall for some other woman down the street or that no one else knew. No, she went after probably the most famous lesbian female athlete at the time. Shortly after they got together, Glennon was going to the Super Bowl and WWC, etc. Now she lives in a multi-million dollar home, a couple blocks from the Pacific Ocean in CA and hangs out with celebrities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened again to that part about never being betrayed again to make sure I heard Jen right. She said she doesn’t have to worry about it happening again because now she’s paying attention. Then Glennon was like, “you aren’t saying you won’t ever get betrayed again cause who the heck knows, you are saying you won’t betray yourself again.” To which, Jen says, “exactly.” But that’s not what she said or meant but she liked the words Glennon put in her mouth too.

I feel like these two ladies are control freaks, they only have people in their lives who enjoy orbiting their world, agreeing with all of their mantras. Even Abby a world class athlete, the female GOAT soccer player becomes a sycophant around Glennon. What is this power that Jen and Glennon have to manipulate women?

This is the saddest part of all of it IMHO - how Abby got roped into this. I wish she could see and understand she became Glennon's target at that book conference because Glennon saw her as an opportunity to leverage her way up in the world of fame and fortune. As others have said, Glennon didn't just fall for some other woman down the street or that no one else knew. No, she went after probably the most famous lesbian female athlete at the time. Shortly after they got together, Glennon was going to the Super Bowl and WWC, etc. Now she lives in a multi-million dollar home, a couple blocks from the Pacific Ocean in CA and hangs out with celebrities.

Plenty of women chase men with fame too. I do think Glennon and Abby seem happy together and she helped Abby have even more fame and go in a new direction using her brain. Abby seems to enjoy being a part of the podcast just as much as Glennon. I also think Glennon's struggles with mental health didn't end when she became rich and famous. I was also impressed she didn't brag about her son getting into Harvard. (Her husband did, but I don't blame him). Considering he is part Asian and I believe there was a lawsuit against Harvard for discriminating against Asians I suspect her fame helped get him in no matter how qualified he may have been. Now all her kids get an extra edge getting into college, but will have so many around them suspicious of whether they were truly qualified or got in because of the moms. The dating world will be different for them too-wondering if the person just wants to get the edge of a famous family.

[Anonymous]

It’s worth noting TX doesn’t have a state income tax. While I agree the oh-poor-simple-me-bit is tiresome, I didn’t know other states had income taxes until well into adulthood. On this I give a pass.

[Anonymous]

But the “I will never be betrayed again” bit? Utter narcissistic delusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But the “I will never be betrayed again” bit? Utter narcissistic delusion.

Exactly. She’s soooo good and smart that she will see right thru the next relationship she has when it starts to sour. Sure Jen. Whatever you say, hon. You’re just so much better that the rest of us. God, is she full of herself, or what?

What a sham. She’s a f’n joke.

Also, as another PP mentioned, I do think her customer base is shrinking. However, there are still millions of untapped “marks” out there…. As PT Barnum supposedly said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”

[Anonymous]

The irony is she’s dating a guy who clearly isn’t as into her as she is into him. Even a wee bit of discernment would catch this disparity but due to her narcissism she thinks it’s forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The irony is she’s dating a guy who clearly isn’t as into her as she is into him. Even a wee bit of discernment would catch this disparity but due to her narcissism she thinks it’s forever.

This.

And did you see where she said she has to have directions say north, south, east, west, and Tyler is more the go here and then turn right kind. They were going someplace and he said that’s east, right? And she gushed something like oh baby, you said east just for me, that shows how much you love me 😍😍🤮🤮

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The irony is she’s dating a guy who clearly isn’t as into her as she is into him. Even a wee bit of discernment would catch this disparity but due to her narcissism she thinks it’s forever.

This.

And did you see where she said she has to have directions say north, south, east, west, and Tyler is more the go here and then turn right kind. They were going someplace and he said that’s east, right? And she gushed something like oh baby, you said east just for me, that shows how much you love me 😍😍🤮🤮

Personally, I don’t believe that for a minute. It’s about the most insignificant detail, but honestly, how many women do you know that rather have directions told to them by”north”, “south”, etc? I think it’s just and there example of how she is just a bit better than the rest of you because she has this little nuance about her. I think she is so hyperbolic, she can’t help herself. Any little lie or exaggeration she can muster that puts her just a teeny, tiny bit above us all is her drug. She has to be better— she’s the queen of the humble brag. It’s quite a skill actually. She takes “one upping” to a whole new level.

Actually- about the only time I’ve heard directions spewed like that is from my daddy who worked in the oil field—- when giving directions to locations— it was like, “go north 5 miles on FM 22. Then east on county road X for 2.5 miles to lease road with red cattle guard and gate and turn north into and location is 1/2 mile”.

Again I know it’s petty and really insignificant, but this sh*t is what her sycophants can’t or won’t see. Maybe her Jenny and Shonna crowd call her on such BS, but it doesn’t matter. She’s better than them too…. But they’re still married….so there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I listened again to that part about never being betrayed again to make sure I heard Jen right. She said she doesn’t have to worry about it happening again because now she’s paying attention. Then Glennon was like, “you aren’t saying you won’t ever get betrayed again cause who the heck knows, you are saying you won’t betray yourself again.” To which, Jen says, “exactly.” But that’s not what she said or meant but she liked the words Glennon put in her mouth too.

I feel like these two ladies are control freaks, they only have people in their lives who enjoy orbiting their world, agreeing with all of their mantras. Even Abby a world class athlete, the female GOAT soccer player becomes a sycophant around Glennon. What is this power that Jen and Glennon have to manipulate women?

This is the saddest part of all of it IMHO - how Abby got roped into this. I wish she could see and understand she became Glennon's target at that book conference because Glennon saw her as an opportunity to leverage her way up in the world of fame and fortune. As others have said, Glennon didn't just fall for some other woman down the street or that no one else knew. No, she went after probably the most famous lesbian female athlete at the time. Shortly after they got together, Glennon was going to the Super Bowl and WWC, etc. Now she lives in a multi-million dollar home, a couple blocks from the Pacific Ocean in CA and hangs out with celebrities.

Plenty of women chase men with fame too. I do think Glennon and Abby seem happy together and she helped Abby have even more fame and go in a new direction using her brain. Abby seems to enjoy being a part of the podcast just as much as Glennon. I also think Glennon's struggles with mental health didn't end when she became rich and famous. I was also impressed she didn't brag about her son getting into Harvard. (Her husband did, but I don't blame him). Considering he is part Asian and I believe there was a lawsuit against Harvard for discriminating against Asians I suspect her fame helped get him in no matter how qualified he may have been. Now all her kids get an extra edge getting into college, but will have so many around them suspicious of whether they were truly qualified or got in because of the moms. The dating world will be different for them too-wondering if the person just wants to get the edge of a famous family.

I agree that people in general chase fame. She is not unique in that. I am mostly trying to point out that she paints this as some sort of spontaneous love-at-first-sight moment that just happened to be with Abby Wambach (who was, BTW, like a month or two into recovery after her DUI). I'm not buying that as the full authentic origin story. My personal opinion is that Glennon is an opportunist, a control freak, and knows how to spin a narrative/story very well because she is a talented writer. I think she knew about Abby's DUI and that she was going to be at that event ahead of time. I think Glennon needed an "out" from her marriage because she was unhappy, and that she basically willed this relationship into being. I just can't shake the feeling that she took advantage of Abby at a very vulnerable time, fresh into recovery, fresh off of retirement, etc.

I get a different sense from the podcast. In fact, Glennon has been condescending to Abby and often interrupts Abby or cuts her ideas/thoughts off during podcasts - the Enneagram one being the most egregious. Other signs are more positive to me, including that Abby will not be controlled the way Glennon has gotten away with controlling other people in her life.

I won't get really deep into her mental health issues, though I have some theories. I will give her - and all of us - the benefit of the doubt that mental health/ED issues were exacerbated by the past 2.5 years of the pandemic.

Anyway, back to Jen snark....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The irony is she’s dating a guy who clearly isn’t as into her as she is into him. Even a wee bit of discernment would catch this disparity but due to her narcissism she thinks it’s forever.

This.

And did you see where she said she has to have directions say north, south, east, west, and Tyler is more the go here and then turn right kind. They were going someplace and he said that’s east, right? And she gushed something like oh baby, you said east just for me, that shows how much you love me 😍😍🤮🤮

Personally, I don’t believe that for a minute. It’s about the most insignificant detail, but honestly, how many women do you know that rather have directions told to them by”north”, “south”, etc? I think it’s just and there example of how she is just a bit better than the rest of you because she has this little nuance about her. I think she is so hyperbolic, she can’t help herself. Any little lie or exaggeration she can muster that puts her just a teeny, tiny bit above us all is her drug. She has to be better— she’s the queen of the humble brag. It’s quite a skill actually. She takes “one upping” to a whole new level.

Actually- about the only time I’ve heard directions spewed like that is from my daddy who worked in the oil field—- when giving directions to locations— it was like, “go north 5 miles on FM 22. Then east on county road X for 2.5 miles to lease road with red cattle guard and gate and turn north into and location is 1/2 mile”.

Again I know it’s petty and really insignificant, but this sh*t is what her sycophants can’t or won’t see. Maybe her Jenny and Shonna crowd call her on such BS, but it doesn’t matter. She’s better than them too…. But they’re still married….so there.

Agreed. It truly is like she can't help herself from this type of bragging about herself. Like she constantly has to reassure herself that all her dad's overhyping of her throughout her life is true. She has tried to play this off and state she's really mediocre or whatever, but again that is so obviously fishing for compliments. Someone else upthread put it well - about "needing other people's envy." That is the most succinct description I can think of for Jen.

[Anonymous]

Yes— “needing other people’s envy.” Perfectly put. ….but not too much because she can’t come across as a jerk or privileged. Her ego must be bi-polar.

[Anonymous]

For as much as she seems to loathe Trump, I think her personality and need for adulation are pretty damn close in many respects. I don’t think she’s evil or anything, but there are sure some similarities.

[Anonymous]

“Other People’s Envy” = Jen’s Narcissistic Fuel.

It’s truly pathological her constant need for praise and validation and admiration.

This is sad to see in a middle-aged person. Almost repellant. Her private moments must be haunting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For as much as she seems to loathe Trump, I think her personality and need for adulation are pretty damn close in many respects. I don’t think she’s evil or anything, but there are sure some similarities.

LOL. I had never thought about this before - but you are sooooo right.

“I’m going to have the best divorce comeback ever. It’s going to be HYUGE. The people love me. Of course, I’m amazing, so, of course, they love me. I can sell ANYTHING to ANYBODY. People want to BE me. I’m AMAZING.”