Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

DO

“Israel, which means Jews”

Wow, you are a special kind of crazy. It’s actually your reaction that sane people find chilling because it makes clear that there is absolutely no way to find common ground with some levels of craziness out there. And to be completely honest, your reaction is also why negative stereotypes exist and sadly the likely root cause of this “everybody hates us for no reason” mystery - if the derangement spilling from your reaction represents “that side”, I can imagine how that might lead to shock, then confusion, then frustration, then irritation, then resentment, then anger, then hatred in some people. Your reaction is that contemptible. I just pity you, though. You need help - badly.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

Agreed. A couple sentences in each of their posts about how rape is bad (if it happened) but then several paragraphs about how Israel/Jews lie. Talk about willful ignorance.

[Anonymous]

The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.

Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”

It’s certifiable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

They're not "our" girls, they're Israel's. Why don't you hold Israel accountable for their lack of outcry over Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein?

You don’t understand the context. There was a huge furor and rally by Americans including Michelle Obama for NIGERIAN girls kidnapped by boko haram. They aren’t “our” girls too, so why did Americans speak out so loudly about that and not about severely brutalized Jewish women? You just sound ignorant.

I think the real “why” is a media why— it is to do with the 24 hour news cycle and fear of seeming to lean too far into a seemingly sensational story without verification when, weeks earlier, there was a public embarrassment of having done the same.

By the time the assaults were made public and the stories were making the rounds in a serious way, Israel was already in Gaza and the prior sensational allegations had been proven inaccurate. So the battleship couldn’t turn to focus on that exact issue because there was, simultaneously, another series of issues to cover. And I think the times went to such great lengths to verify the stories because they had been one of the outlets publishing the “beheaded babies” story and they were being cautious.

So then you need to mobilize people in the U.S. who focus on such things which are typically people on the left. There are finite resources. There would also be an effort at evenhanded-ness which would probably be offensive to some (there’s a lot of academic ink spilled about how much publicity a dead Israeli child receives vs. a dead Palestinian child, for example). So while I see entirely why you think “no one cares” I think this primarily comes down to timing.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

A good guess, but the fact is that in 2022, the UN estimated that civilians constituted 90% of casualties in recent conflicts.

https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm

So there are really two possibilities here:

1. People’s expectations of the grim realities of conflict have suddenly and inexplicably become skewed.

2. People are reacting differently because this conflict involves Israel.

I’d say that #2 is the more plausible explanation.

Ok. So if you are ok with civilians dying why are the civilian deaths on 10:7 so horrible to you? From a Palestinian perspective they are all a part of a war that stretches back to the 1940s. Hostages included.

Personally, I think it’s horrific. And I thin kIsraeli’s actions are equally horrific. Bit of you are saying civilian deaths in a war are a-ok, then please explain why 10/7 is so very different. And please keep in mind that for every Israeli death since 1948, there has been at least 10x Palestinian deaths.

Because 10/7 was an attack with no military objective, intended and designed with the sole goal of killing, torturing and raping civilians.

That’s far different and far more horrific than military actions with military objectives that result in civilian casualties.

That’s been the global consensus from a moral and legal perspective for decades.

Note that I deplore all civilian casualties, so I’m not “ok” with any. But I do recognize the reality of war.

Now, why don’t you answer my question?

Why are civilian casualties in the current conflict receiving so much more attention than other conflicts, despite both the raw and proportional numbers being relatively low?

Is it sudden onset naïveté? Or something else?

The victims include 600+ soldiers so not just civilians.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Israelis aren’t committing genocide. They have offered a two state solution and a ceasefire unless Hamas gives back the hostages. Hamas is hiding within the Palestinian population and using its own people as human shields. Israelis are definitely killing some innocents but it is not genocide.

Where is this Israeli proposal hiding?

Israel has offered a two state solution to Palestine many times in the past 30 years, including in 2000 and 2008. The problem is (1) how to divide up the land in a way that satisfies both sides, and (2) many Palestinians and certainly Hamas wants all of Israel, not a two state solution.

You’re lying about things that are easily verifiably. Hamas 2017 charter agrees to a state with 1967 borders. It also makes it clear that their problem is not with the Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

The sexual abuse of women on 10/7 or on any other day is horrific and disgusting. I'm sure everyone here wishes none of that ever happened.

It's sad that the initial reports were met with guarded skepticism, but consider that we were also told that 40 babies were beheaded, a baby was baked in an oven, and dead babies were found hanging on a clothesline. These stories proved to be untrue. The more lurid and preposterous the claim, the less likely it was to be true, even though some assertions were allegedly based on "eyewitness testimonies" (which were later retracted). We also heard that Palestinian militants had burned many people alive. It turned out, and Israelis who observed the events of the day confirmed this, that in fact the IDF had done most, if not all, of the burning, including burning hundreds of Palestinian militants to death (as has been pointed out, they "did not burn themselves").

Unfortunately, Israel is currently led by some ethically challenged people. To put it bluntly, they lie. A lot. Given Israel's lack of credibility, it would be naive to unquestioningly accept any of its assertions. Israel's moral challenges also make it difficult to believe so-called confessions of rape by captured militants. Israel beats "confessions" out of its detainees, so these "admissions" cannot be assumed to be valid in every case.

Additionally, there is no available forensic evidence of rape. In a Times of Israel report, it is claimed that "physical evidence of sexual assault was not collected from corpses by Israel’s overtaxed morgue facilities." Additionally, "the government has not released explicit footage or pressed rape survivors to share their stories. Nor have the forensic services released formal reports on whether their findings were consistent with sexual abuse."
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-war-and-urgent-need-to-id-bodies-evidence-of-hamass-october-7-rapes-slips-away/amp/).

I think it likely that, sadly, women were raped on 10/7. I think it equally likely that some of the rape stories we have been told are fabricated. It would be entirely out of character for Israel not to lie about rape, given that it has lied about virtually everything else and is particularly prone to lying about being victimized.

Wow. To me, a non-Israeli and non-Jew, this just reads as horrific sexual rape and torture apologia. I find your entire screed genuinely chilling. You probably don’t even care how vicious you sound, but it’s awful.

You know what I did immediately after 10/7? I went to Hamas’ own telegram channels and watched their own videos, which they kept up until they realized how bad it made them look. You obviously did not and obviously don’t care anyhow, given that the victims were Jewish. I will never forget what I saw. Never.

Same,PP. Terrible videos all over the internet from Hamas itself and this poster does not believe that atrocities. Not to mention the way the poster characterizes Israel in the most anti-Semitic ways.

So interesting how the same posters who say everything Israel / Jews say are lies (because of course Jews can’t be trusted), but everything Hamas, a depraved terrorist organization, says must be true. Even though we know Hamas has repeatedly lied and misrepresented events.

If Israel was any other nation in the world, they would have support for their defense in the wake of 10/7.

Straw man, straw man, straw man, straw man, and straw man. This post is so straw-mannish and absurdly illogical that it actually made me laugh. It's sad but also hysterically funny seeing histrionics reaching for the smelling salts over imagined slights (or, more cynically, feigned indignation in service of an ignoble agenda).

So, no, I don't believe that no atrocities occurred on 10/7. My concerns about Israel have nothing to do with antisemitism (that trope is getting soooo tired) and everything to do with Israel's actual behavior. No I don't think Jews always lie. That Netanyahu and his henchmen lie pathologically is a truism. I don't know why you want to generalize from Netanyahu to all Jews (are you an antisemite? Shame on you!). No, I don't think Hamas always tells the truth. No, there would not be knee-jerk support for any other nation in the world if it conducted itself as Israel is currently doing.

Before firing off unfounded and irrational accusations of antisemitism, perhaps you could consider taking a course in logic?

DP. You are backtracking. In your vile posts, you talked repeatedly about how Israel lies. Not Netanyahu. Not even just Netanyahu’s government. You said Israel, which means Jews unless you wish Israel off the face of the earth, which I suspect you do. But in that case, you’re obviously a violent antisemite.

It’s people like you who remind me that this is a fight for survival not just for Israel but for all Jews. Your posts are absolutely chilling.

DO

“Israel, which means Jews”

Wow, you are a special kind of crazy. It’s actually your reaction that sane people find chilling because it makes clear that there is absolutely no way to find common ground with some levels of craziness out there. And to be completely honest, your reaction is also why negative stereotypes exist and sadly the likely root cause of this “everybody hates us for no reason” mystery - if the derangement spilling from your reaction represents “that side”, I can imagine how that might lead to shock, then confusion, then frustration, then irritation, then resentment, then anger, then hatred in some people. Your reaction is that contemptible. I just pity you, though. You need help - badly.

You should just stop. You quite literally accuse people rejecting your antisemitism of being responsible for antisemitism and hatred.

Do you accuse black people who call out racism and abuse of being responsible for their mistreatment? Asians? Women?
LGTBTQ people? Do you tell them they don’t know bigotry against them when they experience it and they must be crazy for even calling it out?

Of course you don’t. Just Jews. Because if Jews say that antisemitic tropes used to discredit Israel are offensive people like you not only gaslight (you’re crazy!) but then blame Jews for their mistreatment.

Like an abusive relationship.

Why don’t you get help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, Israelis aren’t committing genocide. They have offered a two state solution and a ceasefire unless Hamas gives back the hostages. Hamas is hiding within the Palestinian population and using its own people as human shields. Israelis are definitely killing some innocents but it is not genocide.

Where is this Israeli proposal hiding?

Israel has offered a two state solution to Palestine many times in the past 30 years, including in 2000 and 2008. The problem is (1) how to divide up the land in a way that satisfies both sides, and (2) many Palestinians and certainly Hamas wants all of Israel, not a two state solution.

You’re lying about things that are easily verifiably. Hamas 2017 charter agrees to a state with 1967 borders. It also makes it clear that their problem is not with the Jews.

Hamas removed the portion of their charter that literally. Called for the killing of Jews anywhere they are found because it was a bad look. They are still quite committed to the eradication of Jews all over the world and statements post 10/7 from Hamas’ leaders restating this are abundant. Stop normalizing Hamas. They are terrorists committed to killing all Jewish people.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

A good guess, but the fact is that in 2022, the UN estimated that civilians constituted 90% of casualties in recent conflicts.

https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm

So there are really two possibilities here:

1. People’s expectations of the grim realities of conflict have suddenly and inexplicably become skewed.

2. People are reacting differently because this conflict involves Israel.

I’d say that #2 is the more plausible explanation.

Ok. So if you are ok with civilians dying why are the civilian deaths on 10:7 so horrible to you? From a Palestinian perspective they are all a part of a war that stretches back to the 1940s. Hostages included.

Personally, I think it’s horrific. And I thin kIsraeli’s actions are equally horrific. Bit of you are saying civilian deaths in a war are a-ok, then please explain why 10/7 is so very different. And please keep in mind that for every Israeli death since 1948, there has been at least 10x Palestinian deaths.

Because 10/7 was an attack with no military objective, intended and designed with the sole goal of killing, torturing and raping civilians.

That’s far different and far more horrific than military actions with military objectives that result in civilian casualties.

That’s been the global consensus from a moral and legal perspective for decades.

Note that I deplore all civilian casualties, so I’m not “ok” with any. But I do recognize the reality of war.

Now, why don’t you answer my question?

Why are civilian casualties in the current conflict receiving so much more attention than other conflicts, despite both the raw and proportional numbers being relatively low?

Is it sudden onset naïveté? Or something else?

The victims include 600+ soldiers so not just civilians.

No, there were 350 soldiers and police killed. The remainder were civilians. You are inflating the number of security / soldiers presumably to diminish the horror of 10/7. Please stop.

[Anonymous]

From ynetnews today, "According to a report in Saudi Arabia, 11 senior members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps were killed in one of the two strikes on Syria on Thursday ...."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.

Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”

It’s certifiable

It is certifiable that so many people hate Israelis and Jews, no?

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Anonymous wrote:No, Israelis aren’t committing genocide. They have offered a two state solution and a ceasefire unless Hamas gives back the hostages. Hamas is hiding within the Palestinian population and using its own people as human shields. Israelis are definitely killing some innocents but it is not genocide.

Where is this Israeli proposal hiding?

Israel has offered a two state solution to Palestine many times in the past 30 years, including in 2000 and 2008. The problem is (1) how to divide up the land in a way that satisfies both sides, and (2) many Palestinians and certainly Hamas wants all of Israel, not a two state solution.

You’re lying about things that are easily verifiably. Hamas 2017 charter agrees to a state with 1967 borders. It also makes it clear that their problem is not with the Jews.

Hamas removed the portion of their charter that literally. Called for the killing of Jews anywhere they are found because it was a bad look. They are still quite committed to the eradication of Jews all over the world and statements post 10/7 from Hamas’ leaders restating this are abundant. Stop normalizing Hamas. They are terrorists committed to killing all Jewish people.

Well then Hamas and Likud Party are the same. Likud wants the eradication of the Palestinian people and Hamas wants the eradication of Jews. As an American of neither religion, why should I care for either. Both are monsters.

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Anonymous wrote:The victim mentality is really beyond what I even imagined.

Literally murdering thousands of kids and still screaming “everyone hates us for no reason!!”

It’s certifiable

It is certifiable that so many people hate Israelis and Jews, no?

Not Jews, the Israeli government.

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Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

This is why I don’t think Gazans are going to be turning their family members in to the IDF even if they want to— it’s just asking for everyone in the story to be killed.

Hence, the issue at hand, which you pointed out, is that you seem unaware of your logic and unable to follow what your brain is telling you. What is the difference between innocent Gazans and Hamas? If you are in Hitler's circle, how innocent were you?

You need to read threads in their entirety.

Someone posited that Gazans should just “turn in” their Hamas relatives. As though there is a professional authority to whom they could do so.

So, if every Muslim family in Gaza has a family member who is a Hamas fighter, what does that make those families? Do I have to lead you every step to the logical conclusion?

Who said every Muslim family in Gaza has a Hamas fighter? You have made that up on your own.

Hence IF every Muslim family...I use logic to make my conclusions; what do you use? Hitler's manifesto?

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Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

This is why I don’t think Gazans are going to be turning their family members in to the IDF even if they want to— it’s just asking for everyone in the story to be killed.

Hence, the issue at hand, which you pointed out, is that you seem unaware of your logic and unable to follow what your brain is telling you. What is the difference between innocent Gazans and Hamas? If you are in Hitler's circle, how innocent were you?

You need to read threads in their entirety.

Someone posited that Gazans should just “turn in” their Hamas relatives. As though there is a professional authority to whom they could do so.

So, if every Muslim family in Gaza has a family member who is a Hamas fighter, what does that make those families? Do I have to lead you every step to the logical conclusion?

It’s not that simple. Hamas is not even native to Gaza. The top brass of Hamas were all Palestinians born or raised in Lebanon and the ideologues were from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

The genesis of Hamas is the Sabra and the Shatila massacre of 1982 .

Many Hamas are from the West Bank and Israel and speak Hebrew fluently .

To punish Gazans solely for Hamas is not accurate and Israel knows this which is why they take vengeance on the West Bank and Lebanon as well .

Hamas is not in Gaza,that is all I need to know.