Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Oh come on. If Jay Z or prince or another huge male star announced an album at an award show we wouldn’t be scrutinizing it.

We can’t tolerate when women overstep or take too much attention etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She made a bet with jack antonoff if she won she'd announce the album.

Here is the thing: Jack deliberately put the timeline of when she finished "you're losing me" out there to establish she was having issues with Joe in 2021.
She was seeing Matty professionally and the personally starting about the same time. She was still officially with Joe in March 2023 when the 1975 were on SNL --- Taylor flew to NYC to see him that night, which is why he was not at the after party.
This is all messier than the public knows, and I doubt the new album is all about how terrible Joe was. I think it will be about these 2 yrs of her life and how Matty came into it again.

I agree the new album is going to be at least partially about Matt Healy. And I also think potentially it was Taylor who had the wandering eye towards the end of things with Joe. Or maybe they both did. I do think Taylor is the personally messier person of the two of them, so I think it's interesting that people are eyeing the track list and assuming it's all about Joe Alwyn doing terrible things when everything we know about these two people indicate that Joe is, frankly, boring and steady and private, and Taylor is... not. My guess is that Joe was either content with how things were, or wanted to "settle down," and that Taylor started feeling restless and a little reckless and might have made some not great choices that helped predicate the end of that relationship.

Everyone assumes Joe will be the villain of the new album but I think it will be more about Matty and that the actual target of the album will be Taylor herself, building off what she started with Anti Hero.

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Anonymous wrote:All these recent interviews with Travis discussing Taylor have me convinced that this is a PR based relationship.

I hope you realize copying and pasting this video only sends the signal that they should keep asking him questions only about Taylor and reporting on their every move. Way to go!

He doesn’t even know where his own girlfriend is performing.

My husband is on a work trip and I didn’t know where he was either. So?

Yet the majority of people in this thread could tell you her whole tour schedule!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She made a bet with jack antonoff if she won she'd announce the album.

Here is the thing: Jack deliberately put the timeline of when she finished "you're losing me" out there to establish she was having issues with Joe in 2021.
She was seeing Matty professionally and the personally starting about the same time. She was still officially with Joe in March 2023 when the 1975 were on SNL --- Taylor flew to NYC to see him that night, which is why he was not at the after party.
This is all messier than the public knows, and I doubt the new album is all about how terrible Joe was. I think it will be about these 2 yrs of her life and how Matty came into it again.

Ok so they were both messing around during the end of their relationship which tracks with the breakup explanation that they were on and off for a while.

[Anonymous]

Remember in You’re Losing Me she says say something do something choose something. I think Matt was the opposite of that, he said too much and did it all overboard. It was enticing until it was real and then she came to her senses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. If Jay Z or prince or another huge male star announced an album at an award show we wouldn’t be scrutinizing it.

We can’t tolerate when women overstep or take too much attention etc.

We would if that star was in the midst of a really messy personal situation. If Jay Z announced he was releasing a new album at the Grammys around the time that the elevator video came out and all the drama associated with that, people would have lost their minds ripping him apart.

Women do get treated differently in the public eye but (1) that is changing, and (2) I'm not sure it applies perfectly to someone at Taylor's level. I think a lot of the negativity around Taylor at the Grammys has to do with her own behavior combined with some overexposure. I could see that happening to Harry Styles or Jay Z or similar. I mean, it happened to Will Smith at the Oscars (very dramatic example but you can't tell me Smith wasn't held accountable publicly for that). I have also heard similar things said about male actors like Matthew McConnoughey and Austin Butler when they gave weird or self-important acceptance speeches.

Taylor is experiencing a fairly known and common consequence of superstardom, which is that everyone picks apart everything you do.

[Anonymous]

Well the word is Matty left her, which is why she ended up going to Travis. I am not sure I believed this but there were a lot of shenanigans right before she went to the first game, including mMatty flaunting his new girl on a published pap walk in Taylor's nyc neighborhood and Taylor wearing Matty's vintage tee shirt days in a row while on her Mexico leg. They also both were posting cryptic lyrics on their stories that seem to have been pointed at each other.

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Anonymous wrote:She made a bet with jack antonoff if she won she'd announce the album.

Here is the thing: Jack deliberately put the timeline of when she finished "you're losing me" out there to establish she was having issues with Joe in 2021.
She was seeing Matty professionally and the personally starting about the same time. She was still officially with Joe in March 2023 when the 1975 were on SNL --- Taylor flew to NYC to see him that night, which is why he was not at the after party.
This is all messier than the public knows, and I doubt the new album is all about how terrible Joe was. I think it will be about these 2 yrs of her life and how Matty came into it again.

Ok so they were both messing around during the end of their relationship which tracks with the breakup explanation that they were on and off for a while.

There's no evidence Joe was messing around though, why do people say this? He either wasn't seeing anyone or was keeping it extremely private. I think either Taylor was sneaking around (not very sneakily) and it led them to admit it was over, or they were essentially separated and both seeing other people, but Taylor was doing it in a very public way that that drew gossip and attention, and Joe was not, which might have provoked some vitriol between them even though they were ostensibly taking time apart.

Sometimes even breakups that seem like a relationship just running its course can be messy and heartbreaking, especially if the people involved aren't very emotionally mature.

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Anonymous wrote:Well the word is Matty left her, which is why she ended up going to Travis. I am not sure I believed this but there were a lot of shenanigans right before she went to the first game, including mMatty flaunting his new girl on a published pap walk in Taylor's nyc neighborhood and Taylor wearing Matty's vintage tee shirt days in a row while on her Mexico leg. They also both were posting cryptic lyrics on their stories that seem to have been pointed at each other.

Oof, super messy if true.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

That's the thing: there’s nothing complex going on here.

You (and the lame media, which needs to sell garbage to survive) want to write several paragraphs over and over about your complexity theories but it’s a silly look.

I'm talking about human nature. I'm not selling anything. I'm sharing my opinion. What is silly is that you are responding even though you aren't reading any of it, just getting a general vibe that I'm not falling all over myself to say Swift's cool and everyone else drools.

You are also very complex. I wonder what makes you come here to shoot down and criticize anyone who doesn't confirm your world view? Interesting.

You’d be fired in my line of work. Maybe that’s why your long BS is so irritating .

[Anonymous]

My totally speculative and made up descriptions of what some of the songs on Taylor's new album are REALLY about:

The Tortured Poets Department -- It's about an inside joke Taylor and Healy had, explicitly making fun of Joe's group chat, in which they are the tortured poets, obviously.

My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys -- A song about Taylor herself, in which she is a little boy who constantly destroys the toys he loves the most while his well-meaning but misguided mother (embodying Swifties) makes up increasingly ridiculous excuses for his behavior when really he's just being a little turd.

So Long, London -- a parable about... haha no lol this is obviously just about leaving London after living there for a while.

Florida!!! (feat. Florence + The Machine) -- based on the tax scheme Joe Jonas ran to protect his assets by buying that house in Florida with Sophie Turner to save on income taxes and then selling it, only to discover that in the process they'd ruined their marriage. Subtext: Florida is always a bad idea. For the record this is the song I am most excited about.

loml -- a song about the love of her life that people will assume is about Travis but will actually be about her mom

The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived -- a song about Donald Trump

Also I think the biggest scandal of the album release will be Joe Alwyn AND Matt Healy getting songwriting credits on multiple songs each.

[Anonymous]

Is there even the slightest possibility that The Smallest Man in the World is about Donald Trump? Because that could be fun if it's good!

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

That's the thing: there’s nothing complex going on here.

You (and the lame media, which needs to sell garbage to survive) want to write several paragraphs over and over about your complexity theories but it’s a silly look.

I'm talking about human nature. I'm not selling anything. I'm sharing my opinion. What is silly is that you are responding even though you aren't reading any of it, just getting a general vibe that I'm not falling all over myself to say Swift's cool and everyone else drools.

You are also very complex. I wonder what makes you come here to shoot down and criticize anyone who doesn't confirm your world view? Interesting.

You’d be fired in my line of work. Maybe that’s why your long BS is so irritating .

Fired for what? Gossiping about Taylor Swift in online anonymous forums when you should be working? Fortunately I am a freelancer who is off today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there even the slightest possibility that The Smallest Man in the World is about Donald Trump? Because that could be fun if it's good!

I think it's likely, actually.

[Anonymous]

Travis on the other hand has been upbeat short and sweet in his answers about her. Nonstop ridiculous press exposure and pressure and handling it humbly.