Travis and Taylor

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Change of subject sort of...how messy is the Super Bowl suite situation going to get? Apparently, Mama Kelce thinks she's in the stands and not in Taylor's suite? How does she not know by now? I would sit in the stands, too, if I was Taylor, but it's unclear if her security would allow it. Oh the drama. What did we talk about before all this mess? lol!

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So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

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Anonymous wrote:Change of subject sort of...how messy is the Super Bowl suite situation going to get? Apparently, Mama Kelce thinks she's in the stands and not in Taylor's suite? How does she not know by now? I would sit in the stands, too, if I was Taylor, but it's unclear if her security would allow it. Oh the drama. What did we talk about before all this mess? lol!

I hadn’t heard that. I would imagine her security team would be much more comfortable with a suite. She’s had some scary experiences with stalkers in the past and is known to be really cautious about security.

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

That's the thing: there’s nothing complex going on here.

You (and the lame media, which needs to sell garbage to survive) want to write several paragraphs over and over about your complexity theories but it’s a silly look.

I'm talking about human nature. I'm not selling anything. I'm sharing my opinion. What is silly is that you are responding even though you aren't reading any of it, just getting a general vibe that I'm not falling all over myself to say Swift's cool and everyone else drools.

You are also very complex. I wonder what makes you come here to shoot down and criticize anyone who doesn't confirm your world view? Interesting.

You’d be fired in my line of work. Maybe that’s why your long BS is so irritating .

Fired for what? Gossiping about Taylor Swift in online anonymous forums when you should be working? Fortunately I am a freelancer who is off today.

Omg lol. Funniest thing on DCUM this week.

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Anonymous wrote:Travis on the other hand has been upbeat short and sweet in his answers about her. Nonstop ridiculous press exposure and pressure and handling it humbly.

Agree!

Loved his bring home some more hardware like Taylor did comment

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Anonymous wrote:Travis on the other hand has been upbeat short and sweet in his answers about her. Nonstop ridiculous press exposure and pressure and handling it humbly.

Agree!

Loved his bring home some more hardware like Taylor did comment

His media training is impeccable.

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Anonymous wrote:Change of subject sort of...how messy is the Super Bowl suite situation going to get? Apparently, Mama Kelce thinks she's in the stands and not in Taylor's suite? How does she not know by now? I would sit in the stands, too, if I was Taylor, but it's unclear if her security would allow it. Oh the drama. What did we talk about before all this mess? lol!

And Travis is acting like he doesn't know if Taylor is going to be there or not. I think they're told to keep it vague on purpose.

Maybe Mama Kelce is using the seats Travis gets as a player?

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Maybe with all the stress about stalkers and lawsuits Travis doesn’t want to set the precedent of telling the media where Taylor is. Obviously she’s in Tokyo and the media knows that.

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Travis knows where everyone will be. They are just not telling people.

In addition leave Travis alone. Super Bowl is tough. Requires full concentration. If I were there I would care less what my whole family was doing or where they were all week. F them. You have to assume you will never get back there.

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

How convenient YOU—with the perfect alleged husband dynamic to rationalize and spin this—saw my post 3 minutes after I posted it during a workday. You are totally not some crazed Swiftie or PR bot doing crisis clean up. lol

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

How convenient YOU—with the perfect alleged husband dynamic to rationalize and spin this—saw my post 3 minutes after I posted it during a workday. You are totally not some crazed Swiftie or PR bot doing crisis clean up. lol

lol! Imagine Tree on DCUM frantically trying to save Taylor's reputation. "I'll save you Taylor!"

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

How convenient YOU—with the perfect alleged husband dynamic to rationalize and spin this—saw my post 3 minutes after I posted it during a workday. You are totally not some crazed Swiftie or PR bot doing crisis clean up. lol

lol! Imagine Tree on DCUM frantically trying to save Taylor's reputation. "I'll save you Taylor!"

DP, and it's silly to think Taylor's PR team is on here. But it's also unquestionable that there are some crazed Swifties on here who literally just go through the comments looking for anything that is even tinged with criticism or negativity towards Taylor and write childish, intense responses. It's very strange and only happens on these Taylor threads.

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

How convenient YOU—with the perfect alleged husband dynamic to rationalize and spin this—saw my post 3 minutes after I posted it during a workday. You are totally not some crazed Swiftie or PR bot doing crisis clean up. lol

lol! Imagine Tree on DCUM frantically trying to save Taylor's reputation. "I'll save you Taylor!"

DP, and it's silly to think Taylor's PR team is on here. But it's also unquestionable that there are some crazed Swifties on here who literally just go through the comments looking for anything that is even tinged with criticism or negativity towards Taylor and write childish, intense responses. It's very strange and only happens on these Taylor threads.

I think it's safe to say that everyone is strange on this message board.

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Anonymous wrote:So he literally doesn’t know where she is? lol. Obviously because they don’t communicate outside of her being at games for the ratings boost and viral footage. That’s not a boyfriend & girlfriend, it’s a fake business arrangement.

My husband couldn't tell you the first thing about where I work. He literally has no idea. His head is so far up his butt all the time. God bless him. Kelce not knowing Taylor is in Tokyo is laughably predictable because he's a man. Period.

How convenient YOU—with the perfect alleged husband dynamic to rationalize and spin this—saw my post 3 minutes after I posted it during a workday. You are totally not some crazed Swiftie or PR bot doing crisis clean up. lol

lol! Imagine Tree on DCUM frantically trying to save Taylor's reputation. "I'll save you Taylor!"

DP, and it's silly to think Taylor's PR team is on here. But it's also unquestionable that there are some crazed Swifties on here who literally just go through the comments looking for anything that is even tinged with criticism or negativity towards Taylor and write childish, intense responses. It's very strange and only happens on these Taylor threads.

I think it's safe to say that everyone is strange on this message board.

Some are weirder than others.