Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

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But he’s not allowed to call stupid tabloid journalists stupid.

Frankly even if he responded: oop, better go check the tabloids, he’d be in trouble

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:All these recent interviews with Travis discussing Taylor have me convinced that this is a PR based relationship.

I hope you realize copying and pasting this video only sends the signal that they should keep asking him questions only about Taylor and reporting on their every move. Way to go!

He doesn’t even know where his own girlfriend is performing.

My husband is on a work trip and I didn’t know where he was either. So?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

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Anonymous wrote:All these recent interviews with Travis discussing Taylor have me convinced that this is a PR based relationship.

I hope you realize copying and pasting this video only sends the signal that they should keep asking him questions only about Taylor and reporting on their every move. Way to go!

He doesn’t even know where his own girlfriend is performing.

My husband is on a work trip and I didn’t know where he was either. So?

Plus isn't it a good thing he's focused on the super bowl and his job???? these people, they can't win. No wonder she doesn't care. She's been public, she's been quiet and I hope she is realizing like I did in my 30's, follow your own path.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it was a mistake for Taylor to drop the news about the new album this weekend? Increasingly I think it was.

I get the idea behind seizing a moment when there is maximum attention on her to promo the new album, I do. But I feel like this might not apply to Taylor because she's SO big that there are always a lot of eyes on her.

I think announcing the album, especially given all the easter eggs/hints that it is going to be all about her breakup with Joe, might backfire and attract a lot of negative attention. Because it just seems weird to announce an album all about your ex when the world is in a fervor over your current relationship, and both you and your current boyfriend are having huge weeks in terms of your careers. It feels like flying too close to the sun, and for even big fans there's this whiplash involved, like we were just talking about Taylor and Travis and suddenly we're rehashing Taylor and Joe but also Taylor is going to be at the Super Bowl this weekend cheering on Travis? It's a lot in just a short time frame.

Playing 20/20 armchair publicist, I think it might have been better to just go to the Grammy's and collect her awards graciously with some semi-prepared remarks that kind of burnish her image and remind people what they like about Taylor (humor, self-effacing, etc.) in a way that makes it clear what a boss she is. Then go play Tokyo, then go to Las Vegas and perform the role of supportive (but also very accomplished in her own right, and gorgeous) girlfriend for Travis. THEN like the next day, drop the news of the new album and let fans and media have their feeding frenzy over the meaning of the album and track titles and the timing of the release, while Taylor heads out on her international tour with Travis, leaving breadcrumbs of the two of them grabbing cute little dates in foreign capitals as if to say "Yeah I wrote this album about my no-good ex, but look at me now. Enjoy the heartbreak songs, but there's light at the end of the tunnel."

I just think if she'd played it all a smidge differently, she wouldn't be getting attacked quite so much now and actually would be kind of untouchable.

On the other hand, here we all are, talking about it. Maybe she figures all press is good press and whatever gets people talking, in which case well done I guess.

Could not agree more that it was a mistake and would have been much more successful of a launch if she'd done the timing you laid out. But I think she's like a middle school girl, and she thinks she's really sticking it to her ex when she disses him, not realizing it makes her look unhinged and still hung up on him. It's like in college when you're heartbroken over a guy, but you go to the party at his fraternity house and act over the top like you're having the time of your life, or belting out man hating songs or something in front of your ex. So I think even amid the Travis of it all, she can't resist the opportunity to stick it to Joe, and she's so tone deaf that she thinks the insane Swifties applauding this and every move she makes made it a successful launch. But what a mature woman knows is that you come off so much better if you just quietly take the high road.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

That's the thing: there’s nothing complex going on here.

You (and the lame media, which needs to sell garbage to survive) want to write several paragraphs over and over about your complexity theories but it’s a silly look.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:All these recent interviews with Travis discussing Taylor have me convinced that this is a PR based relationship.

I hope you realize copying and pasting this video only sends the signal that they should keep asking him questions only about Taylor and reporting on their every move. Way to go!

He doesn’t even know where his own girlfriend is performing.

My husband is on a work trip and I didn’t know where he was either. So?

Plus isn't it a good thing he's focused on the super bowl and his job???? these people, they can't win. No wonder she doesn't care. She's been public, she's been quiet and I hope she is realizing like I did in my 30's, follow your own path.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it was a mistake for Taylor to drop the news about the new album this weekend? Increasingly I think it was.

I get the idea behind seizing a moment when there is maximum attention on her to promo the new album, I do. But I feel like this might not apply to Taylor because she's SO big that there are always a lot of eyes on her.

I think announcing the album, especially given all the easter eggs/hints that it is going to be all about her breakup with Joe, might backfire and attract a lot of negative attention. Because it just seems weird to announce an album all about your ex when the world is in a fervor over your current relationship, and both you and your current boyfriend are having huge weeks in terms of your careers. It feels like flying too close to the sun, and for even big fans there's this whiplash involved, like we were just talking about Taylor and Travis and suddenly we're rehashing Taylor and Joe but also Taylor is going to be at the Super Bowl this weekend cheering on Travis? It's a lot in just a short time frame.

Playing 20/20 armchair publicist, I think it might have been better to just go to the Grammy's and collect her awards graciously with some semi-prepared remarks that kind of burnish her image and remind people what they like about Taylor (humor, self-effacing, etc.) in a way that makes it clear what a boss she is. Then go play Tokyo, then go to Las Vegas and perform the role of supportive (but also very accomplished in her own right, and gorgeous) girlfriend for Travis. THEN like the next day, drop the news of the new album and let fans and media have their feeding frenzy over the meaning of the album and track titles and the timing of the release, while Taylor heads out on her international tour with Travis, leaving breadcrumbs of the two of them grabbing cute little dates in foreign capitals as if to say "Yeah I wrote this album about my no-good ex, but look at me now. Enjoy the heartbreak songs, but there's light at the end of the tunnel."

I just think if she'd played it all a smidge differently, she wouldn't be getting attacked quite so much now and actually would be kind of untouchable.

On the other hand, here we all are, talking about it. Maybe she figures all press is good press and whatever gets people talking, in which case well done I guess.

Could not agree more that it was a mistake and would have been much more successful of a launch if she'd done the timing you laid out. But I think she's like a middle school girl, and she thinks she's really sticking it to her ex when she disses him, not realizing it makes her look unhinged and still hung up on him. It's like in college when you're heartbroken over a guy, but you go to the party at his fraternity house and act over the top like you're having the time of your life, or belting out man hating songs or something in front of your ex. So I think even amid the Travis of it all, she can't resist the opportunity to stick it to Joe, and she's so tone deaf that she thinks the insane Swifties applauding this and every move she makes made it a successful launch. But what a mature woman knows is that you come off so much better if you just quietly take the high road.

I don’t know about you. But I’ve never taken my emotions and thoughts into a diary much less took the time to put them into writing, themes, prose, overlay a beat & melody, do a collaboration with another article, tweak it over and over as a catchy but powerful and universal song, then record it over and over with melody, harmony, synthetics, beats, and then title it and get an album on the market.

1-3 years depending on how much quality time I had to work in it seems reasonable to put out a decent 10+ track album. Especially while on tour, working out daily, resting my voice, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's such a thing as being too famous. So much that it's not good for anyone. I think she's there. Not her fault.

I think so too but she could back off and not be so in your face. She didn't need to go to so many football games.

I think the reason she's been to so many games is kind of heart-breaking. In her last relationship, she wasn't allowed to show up for him or be a part of his life. He didn't want her there because of the mess it caused. When Kelce invited her to come to the games, it probably made her feel wanted...like she wasn't a burden or too much. Ugh.

I have mixed feelings about whether this is actually true or not. I think it might be more complex.

I think Taylor might view "the mess" that ensues when she publicly dates someone as something that happens TO her, that she plays no part in and can't control. But the truth is that Taylor behaves differently than a lot of people do in similar situations (including other celebrities). I think she just does not know how to be low key or chill in public, and doesn't know how to conduct a relationship in a way that won't garner maximum attention and interest. Part of this is due to the way she's cultivated her fan base and let them into her private life through her songs. And part of it is just her personality. She has this big, kind of over the top personality, at least when she's in public. People on this thread and the grammy thread have mentioned how she sucks all the air out of a room, how sometimes it feels like she's pulling exaggerated faces, being "extra." This might feel like unfair criticism but I don't mean it as criticism at all -- I think it just describes how she is. She's very animated. She's tall. She has a self-consciousness in how she holds her face and her body that make it seem like she knows people are watching, and I also think it drives people to look at her. She has this knack for getting attention, and it's served her well in her career. She has that "it" factor people in show business talk about.

But as a result, I think it's hard to separate how much of the "mess" around her relationships in public is due to the media/fans being obsessive, and how much is do to thinks Taylor does (that other people don't do) that drives that obsession. It's basically symbiotic. I don't thinks she really knows how to be another way, but I also don't think it happens without her active participation either.

So if Joe was really telling her he didn't want her at his events, I can see two sides of it. On the one hand, that's very sad and almost mean, and feels like he's not wanting her to pull attention from him and I feel for her. But also, having seen how she conducts herself in public, I also see his perspective as well, and can imagine having a partner like that and just being like "why are you SO MUCH when we are in public, why can't you just chill." Because even if those behaviors are just innate, they DO pull attention towards her, they do suck the air out of the room. It's hard to be with someone like that. I've had friends like that and honestly the friendships didn't last because everything was always all about them. It was exhausting. I wanted equal footing and I couldn't get it.

Anyway, long story short: I don't think Taylor is the victim of the press/fan attention that she sometimes seems to think she is. I think she's a bit a victim of her own nature, which has also helped her gain the success she has. But it's not conducive to a relationship and probably never will be. People like this often struggle with relationships their whole lives. They can make really bad parents because, even without meaning to, they just do not know how to put their focus on their kids instead of basking, always, in the glow of everyone else's love for them. It's actually very sad. But also not something totally outside her control. Like I said -- complex.

Disagree.

I can think of dozens of truly messy artists demanding screen time. But not Taylor out with friends or sitting in a skybox. Sure she has to be a bit made up when going in because rags pay $25k a photo snap, but she’s not posing and waving and air kissing or ranting at them. Shes literally just walking.
Must be a PITA to have paparazzi tailing you everywhere

I think it's a combination of inborn traits (both physical trains and personality) and also some aspects of her personality she cultivates and could change if she wants to. Of course she's not air kissing or ranting at people -- that would repulse people, not draw them in.

Princess Di had this too -- something about her combination physical features (her height combined with her lean frame, her striking eyes) and the way she carried herself (the shy smiles, the slight stoop that led her to peer out under her bangs, but also combined with elegance and confidence too -- a strange amalgamation). I can think of others, though Di has a lot in common with TS physically/personality why so she's a good example. But like Bill Clinton was like this -- tall and imposing but also warm and disarming. Again, it's "it" factor. Some of it's just how they are, some of it is choices they make that can exploit what they have to garner the most attention and affection.

I think people like this often develop a self-awareness from a young age. They notice that people respond really well to certain aspects of their appearance, or to certain behaviors, and they start cultivating those qualities. Taylor does this. There's a reason she is so photogenic, and it's not purely her appearance -- she knows her angles, how to work the expression on her face. She's probably practiced this stuff in front of a mirror a billion times. She is perfect at it. Then the makeup, hair, clothes -- all of it designed to elicit certain responses. She has this quality that is very specifically appealing to teen/tween girls, where she's sexy but in this way that is mostly alluring to women? It's hard to explain.

Anyway, a lot of what she does is sort of subtle, though I think if you had someone like this in your life, you'd find it obvious. She'll arrange her face in just this perfect way for a reaction to to something. It's very self-conscious, kind of fake. But also perfect and pretty so it usually has the desired impact.

But I don't mean to say it's all super conscious or intentionally manipulative either. I think people like this do these things instinctively, without forethought. It's just fundamentally in her nature to know how to do things in a way that will draw people's eyes and make them interested in her. I think it's kind of amazing and is a huge part of her success, and I also think it would be incredibly hard to live with in a romantic relationship because she's always going to be the star, of everything. At least when you're around other people.

So what. Calling someone evil because they look good in some photos is ridiculous

I didn't call anyone evil. Did anyone? You are arguing with yourself.

If you read what I'm actually saying, I'm not even criticizing Swift. I just find her interesting. It's anthropology to me. Human beings are very interesting and I don't generally view them as villains or heroes. People are very complex.

That's the thing: there’s nothing complex going on here.

You (and the lame media, which needs to sell garbage to survive) want to write several paragraphs over and over about your complexity theories but it’s a silly look.

I'm talking about human nature. I'm not selling anything. I'm sharing my opinion. What is silly is that you are responding even though you aren't reading any of it, just getting a general vibe that I'm not falling all over myself to say Swift's cool and everyone else drools.

You are also very complex. I wonder what makes you come here to shoot down and criticize anyone who doesn't confirm your world view? Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think it was a mistake for Taylor to drop the news about the new album this weekend? Increasingly I think it was.

I get the idea behind seizing a moment when there is maximum attention on her to promo the new album, I do. But I feel like this might not apply to Taylor because she's SO big that there are always a lot of eyes on her.

I think announcing the album, especially given all the easter eggs/hints that it is going to be all about her breakup with Joe, might backfire and attract a lot of negative attention. Because it just seems weird to announce an album all about your ex when the world is in a fervor over your current relationship, and both you and your current boyfriend are having huge weeks in terms of your careers. It feels like flying too close to the sun, and for even big fans there's this whiplash involved, like we were just talking about Taylor and Travis and suddenly we're rehashing Taylor and Joe but also Taylor is going to be at the Super Bowl this weekend cheering on Travis? It's a lot in just a short time frame.

Playing 20/20 armchair publicist, I think it might have been better to just go to the Grammy's and collect her awards graciously with some semi-prepared remarks that kind of burnish her image and remind people what they like about Taylor (humor, self-effacing, etc.) in a way that makes it clear what a boss she is. Then go play Tokyo, then go to Las Vegas and perform the role of supportive (but also very accomplished in her own right, and gorgeous) girlfriend for Travis. THEN like the next day, drop the news of the new album and let fans and media have their feeding frenzy over the meaning of the album and track titles and the timing of the release, while Taylor heads out on her international tour with Travis, leaving breadcrumbs of the two of them grabbing cute little dates in foreign capitals as if to say "Yeah I wrote this album about my no-good ex, but look at me now. Enjoy the heartbreak songs, but there's light at the end of the tunnel."

I just think if she'd played it all a smidge differently, she wouldn't be getting attacked quite so much now and actually would be kind of untouchable.

On the other hand, here we all are, talking about it. Maybe she figures all press is good press and whatever gets people talking, in which case well done I guess.

Could not agree more that it was a mistake and would have been much more successful of a launch if she'd done the timing you laid out. But I think she's like a middle school girl, and she thinks she's really sticking it to her ex when she disses him, not realizing it makes her look unhinged and still hung up on him. It's like in college when you're heartbroken over a guy, but you go to the party at his fraternity house and act over the top like you're having the time of your life, or belting out man hating songs or something in front of your ex. So I think even amid the Travis of it all, she can't resist the opportunity to stick it to Joe, and she's so tone deaf that she thinks the insane Swifties applauding this and every move she makes made it a successful launch. But what a mature woman knows is that you come off so much better if you just quietly take the high road.

I don’t know about you. But I’ve never taken my emotions and thoughts into a diary much less took the time to put them into writing, themes, prose, overlay a beat & melody, do a collaboration with another article, tweak it over and over as a catchy but powerful and universal song, then record it over and over with melody, harmony, synthetics, beats, and then title it and get an album on the market.

1-3 years depending on how much quality time I had to work in it seems reasonable to put out a decent 10+ track album. Especially while on tour, working out daily, resting my voice, etc.

I disagree with the PP -- I don't think she's announcing the album now to "stick it" to Joe. I just think she wanted to announce the album at the Grammys, maybe because the 13th win is signficant for her, maybe other reasons, whatever.

I do think the decision to announce it when she did was a mistake, though. The fact that it's an album she obviously put a lot of time and effort into makes that mistake kind of a bummer, actually. I think the timing of announcing it will stir up controversy instead of interest. I think Taylor genuinely wants people to hear her music and be affected by it. I think she does all this out of a strong need to be heard and understood. But I think some of her marketing choices tend to overshadow her music with peripheral concerns, and announcing at the Grammys contributes to that. I think it reflects a desperate need to hype it up as much as possible, but she's Taylor Swift, the hype follows her. She should have waited to announce until it could be the focus, instead of squeezing it into an awards show at a time when many casual fans are much more focused on her love life and what will happen when she attends the SB, than her music.

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Anonymous wrote:Using my own eyes, I see 2 people who are ridiculously happy and on top of the world right now.

As Travis said this week, "I'd be silly to find ANY negativity with what's going on in my life."

You negative Nellies crack me up.

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She made a bet with jack antonoff if she won she'd announce the album.

Here is the thing: Jack deliberately put the timeline of when she finished "you're losing me" out there to establish she was having issues with Joe in 2021.
She was seeing Matty professionally and the personally starting about the same time. She was still officially with Joe in March 2023 when the 1975 were on SNL --- Taylor flew to NYC to see him that night, which is why he was not at the after party.
This is all messier than the public knows, and I doubt the new album is all about how terrible Joe was. I think it will be about these 2 yrs of her life and how Matty came into it again.

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And btw way, when she flew out there to see M that weekend of SNL, she was in rehearsals in another part of the country bc Eras was starting soon.