Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Justin freaked out after extras started spilling on their affair.

Is there any truth to this or is this just speculation? I mean I would absolutely love this twist but it’s hard for me to believe.

Me too, the texts suggest he figured out she was a crazy person who needed to be treated with kid gloves early on.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

… what’s the TS twist?

And this does go to the earlier legal discussion of how effective smaller specialized firms can be…

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

… what’s the TS twist?

And this does go to the earlier legal discussion of how effective smaller specialized firms can be…

Baldoni's complaint alleges that a "megacelebrity" (who is implied to be a singer) tried to exert pressure on Baldoni to accept script changes suggested by Lively during a visit by Baldoni to Lively's and Reynold's apartment. Many people are speculating that the person referenced is Taylor Swift given that Lively and Swift have a very close friendship and she'd fit the description in the complaint to a tee. If it's not Swift, the complaint was written in a way to imply that it was.

I don't get your comment about smaller specialized firms? Sounds like Baldoni's lawyer is a one-man shop. I agree with some others that aspects of the complaint were a little bit sloppy and bombastic, but it also sounds like he's pretty effective in this kind of case. I have seen a couple interviews with him and he clearly loves doing them and likes to use the press and public opinion as a tool. Reminds me of a white collar defense lawyer I knew a while back. He liked the fight. Made him a great litigator, but a very obnoxious colleague.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Justin freaked out after extras started spilling on their affair.

Is there any truth to this or is this just speculation? I mean I would absolutely love this twist but it’s hard for me to believe.

Its my theory and why I think they're being coy about the nature of their relationship.

Interesting. I don’t think they had that much chemistry in the movie. She had a lot more with the guy playing Atlas. Now, if it were Kristen Bell and Adam Brody, I would think their partners would be suspect.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

The fact that he included messages to support what he’s saying makes his version seem stronger. Especially since it is apparent that on the retaliation part, her side cut out parts of the text conversations in really shady ways.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Justin freaked out after extras started spilling on their affair.

Is there any truth to this or is this just speculation? I mean I would absolutely love this twist but it’s hard for me to believe.

Its my theory and why I think they're being coy about the nature of their relationship.

Interesting. I don’t think they had that much chemistry in the movie. She had a lot more with the guy playing Atlas. Now, if it were Kristen Bell and Adam Brody, I would think their partners would be suspect.

Funny I didn’t feel the chemistry between Bell and Brody like everyone else did. I don’t think her husband has too much to be worried about—they were on his podcast together and Brody was a bit of a malcontent curmudgeon. They all just seemed like pretty good friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

Hard to take you seriously when you clearly sock puppet. Your posts have been overwhelming supportive of Blake’s complaint and overwhelming critical of Justin’s. Perhaps you are unaware of how identifiable your writing style is.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

… what’s the TS twist?

And this does go to the earlier legal discussion of how effective smaller specialized firms can be…

Baldoni's complaint alleges that a "megacelebrity" (who is implied to be a singer) tried to exert pressure on Baldoni to accept script changes suggested by Lively during a visit by Baldoni to Lively's and Reynold's apartment. Many people are speculating that the person referenced is Taylor Swift given that Lively and Swift have a very close friendship and she'd fit the description in the complaint to a tee. If it's not Swift, the complaint was written in a way to imply that it was.

I don't get your comment about smaller specialized firms? Sounds like Baldoni's lawyer is a one-man shop. I agree with some others that aspects of the complaint were a little bit sloppy and bombastic, but it also sounds like he's pretty effective in this kind of case. I have seen a couple interviews with him and he clearly loves doing them and likes to use the press and public opinion as a tool. Reminds me of a white collar defense lawyer I knew a while back. He liked the fight. Made him a great litigator, but a very obnoxious colleague.

I’ve read a lot of plaintiff’s side complaints and this is definitely the best that I’ve seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

I’m saying your (yes, specifically you) attempts to nitpick his complaint and say they are both flawed, is incorrect. I didn’t say anything about them later stages of the case because I was specifically talking about the strength of the complaints.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

… what’s the TS twist?

And this does go to the earlier legal discussion of how effective smaller specialized firms can be…

Baldoni's complaint alleges that a "megacelebrity" (who is implied to be a singer) tried to exert pressure on Baldoni to accept script changes suggested by Lively during a visit by Baldoni to Lively's and Reynold's apartment. Many people are speculating that the person referenced is Taylor Swift given that Lively and Swift have a very close friendship and she'd fit the description in the complaint to a tee. If it's not Swift, the complaint was written in a way to imply that it was.

I don't get your comment about smaller specialized firms? Sounds like Baldoni's lawyer is a one-man shop. I agree with some others that aspects of the complaint were a little bit sloppy and bombastic, but it also sounds like he's pretty effective in this kind of case. I have seen a couple interviews with him and he clearly loves doing them and likes to use the press and public opinion as a tool. Reminds me of a white collar defense lawyer I knew a while back. He liked the fight. Made him a great litigator, but a very obnoxious colleague.

There were other attorneys listed on the complaint. I just looked up the firm and he has partners and looks like about 15 or so attorneys total.

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Anonymous wrote:Does it matter that he hired his friend for a scene, assuming he behaved professionally? That particular allegation has caused me to doubt all her allegations. I just don’t see how hiring a friend is harrassing. Especially while Blake is trotting around her dragons.

I mean we went over this when Lively's complaint came out. Individually, a lot of her allegations seem like not a big deal, but together they could be harassment. We weren't there. We don't really know what the vibe was on set and the complaints present two very different pictures. Not saying she's right or that he's wrong. But the idea that if you find one of her allegations overblown or unreasonable, it means everything in her complaint is wrong, is dramatic. Same is true for his complaint.

It's actually possible to follow this case and not choose sides.

I see your point about patterns. But I also think when you throw in a bunch thin complaints that don’t stand on their own (and there are many of these—not just the friend), you’re showing your own pattern for exaggeration. It goes both ways.

Saying this as a lawyer, his complaint relies much more on documentary evidence, which is why it is twice the length of hers. Furthermore, he specifically mentioned that the disputed intimacy scenes were recorded, even between takes, which he would not do if the recordings did not support his version of events since she wasn’t aware of this fact. It isn’t choosing sides, one complaint is legitimately much stronger than the other. Which is why Blake’s sock puppeting shill has returned to this thread to nit pick. But it’s for naught, his complaint is stronger.

But as a lawyer you know that a complaint is not the end of the evidence-gathering stage, right? It's the beginning. Neither lawsuit has really even begun discovery in earnest. It is going to wind up coming down to what is actually on the filmed footage, the testimony of other witnesses, etc. We still have no statements from any other actors or crew members that go directly to any of this. I expect personal assistants may also be subpoenaed and that could be relevant. The actual footage of those scenes will presumably be brought in and it will clarify some things but likely also raise other issues.

I am not a "sock puppeting shill" by the way -- I do not even like Blake Lively as an actress or her public persona and I find Ryan Reynolds grating AF. I have no opinion on Justin Baldoni as I've never seen him in anything except the one season of Jane the Virgin I watched and I honestly don't even remember him in it. But I am a lawyer. I think it's weird to think, based on these two complaints, that you can actually know what happened. I have no idea. I do find it an interesting situation to follow though. It's juicy as hell. Loving the Taylor Swift twist right now.

… what’s the TS twist?

And this does go to the earlier legal discussion of how effective smaller specialized firms can be…

Baldoni's complaint alleges that a "megacelebrity" (who is implied to be a singer) tried to exert pressure on Baldoni to accept script changes suggested by Lively during a visit by Baldoni to Lively's and Reynold's apartment. Many people are speculating that the person referenced is Taylor Swift given that Lively and Swift have a very close friendship and she'd fit the description in the complaint to a tee. If it's not Swift, the complaint was written in a way to imply that it was.

I don't get your comment about smaller specialized firms? Sounds like Baldoni's lawyer is a one-man shop. I agree with some others that aspects of the complaint were a little bit sloppy and bombastic, but it also sounds like he's pretty effective in this kind of case. I have seen a couple interviews with him and he clearly loves doing them and likes to use the press and public opinion as a tool. Reminds me of a white collar defense lawyer I knew a while back. He liked the fight. Made him a great litigator, but a very obnoxious colleague.

A lawyer earlier was saying that the firms used weren’t ’top tier’ or something like that, and there was a discussion about how in addition to being more cost effective, smaller firms are often better at this sort of thing. Specialized industry knowledge etc.
I don’t think a big law firm would be comfortable making the PR moves freedman has, for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Not at all, most everyone thinks Justin’s complaint is very strong, except for the sock puppeting Blake supporter.

Yeah, I think you misread what I was saying. I agree Blake‘s suit is very weak given that we are now just nitpicking over details. I think Justin has a stronger case.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Justin freaked out after extras started spilling on their affair.

Is there any truth to this or is this just speculation? I mean I would absolutely love this twist but it’s hard for me to believe.

Its my theory and why I think they're being coy about the nature of their relationship.

Interesting. I don’t think they had that much chemistry in the movie. She had a lot more with the guy playing Atlas. Now, if it were Kristen Bell and Adam Brody, I would think their partners would be suspect.

Its funny how we all perceived things because I thought he and Blake had great chemistry lol.

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I’ve said it before and I will repeat it again, Isabel, who played young Lily - her texts to Justin really hurts blakes case - she didn’t have to send them and she was over the top complementing him on how he ran the movie. I was actually shocked to see them there because it just goes against what Blake had reported.

Here’s the thing. A little after the movie wrapped, Jenny Slate published a book, and Blake went on Instagram raving about it. I’m sure you could still find the post. And Ryan did that mock take down of Brandon who played Atlas, pretended to be jealous. He even got his mom to join the bit. I’m sorry, but if you’re an actor trying to build a career, it certainly would help to have a video going viral of you having playful banter with Ryan Reynolds.

It seems like the cast was fine with Justin and they chose sides based on Blake and Ryan’s power. If not, somebody needs to show that there were other problems on set. I’ve seen none of that and it’s been a month.