Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Oh. PP means her whiteness is the ONLY thing that matters here. Doesn't matter that she didn't call for the police or anything. She's white, that's all that matters, and so she had no right to expect an e-bike and should have just STFU and pedaled home.

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Anonymous wrote:There is such a double standard at work here.

People keep saying "oh the boys behavior wasn't great but she could have just left." Like the fact that they were harassing her is viewed as NBD because, hey, you can always walk away.

But then the same people will say she was totally out of line for trying to rent a bike that was docked because it was "his" bike and she "impaled" herself on it. And at no point do these people say "well the boys could have just walked away from the bike."

Why is their bad behavior written off as avoidable ("just leave") but hers isn't?

Good question. I'm sorry that you're unlikely to get an answer.

Because they are children and she's an adult.

Because she knew they were a couple of months shy of 18--how exactly?

And once they cross that magic threshold of 18 (some of them may have been 18 already), they would automatically know to cede the bike to the pregnant lady?

This has got to be one of the dumbest arguments on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Oh. PP means her whiteness is the ONLY thing that matters here. Doesn't matter that she didn't call for the police or anything. She's white, that's all that matters, and so she had no right to expect an e-bike and should have just STFU and pedaled home.

This, which is interesting given the conversations we've had in the last couple decades about intersectionality.

If intersectionality means that we need to think about multiple identities and how they interact (I believe it was first invoked to explain how black women can experience both racism and sexism at once in a way that intersects and is different from both how black men experience racism and how white women experience sexism), then it should matter that the PA in this situation is subject to sexism. And it's relevant that she's pregnant, since pregnancy is considered a form of disability (you can't fire someone for being pregnant, for instance, even if it renders them unable to perform all aspects of their job). Those identities should be relevant to the conversation.

But the people who believe the boys were in the right NO MATTER WHAT think that racism trumps everything else. Nevermind that women have been subjected to violence for being women since the beginning of time, never mind that pregnant women have long experience discrimination. That doesn't matter.

And we haven't even gotten into the fact that these boys are recent immigrants, which means the racism they experience is distinct from the racism that black people in the US whose ancestors were enslaved and subjected to Jim Crow and the lynching era. Which is not to say they don't experience racism, of course they do (and are from a place that was colonized). But it's still a different identity.

People want to impose this simplistic framework on this situation where the PA=white=bad and the boys=black=good and it's as dumb as the reverse framework would be.

What the hell was the point of talking about intersectionality and education people on these topics if it would just be used to flatten the way we interact with each other down to a single metric, skin color, and nothing else?

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

DP. I agree you can't be racist against white women.

However, power differentials DO matter and that's why from the start a lot of us have been pointing out that the pregnant PA on her own was not in a position of power over the FIVE YOUNG MEN who were pushing her and harassing her. Those boys had more power than she did in that moment. And yet people are incredulous that she would call for help, and saying that the only possible explanation is that she was trying to get those guys harmed.

Like we sometimes need to be able to just see what is happening and describe it for what it is. People are doing backflips to turn this woman into the aggressor when she was outnumbered and we have video of the boys jeering her and pushing her.

The position of power has to do with being white. IF she had called the police, there was no way she'd have ended up dead. But they might have.

Since we’re indulging in hypotheticals, IF they decided to assault her based on her race or gender, there’s no way she could have escaped it.

Exactly. And it doesn't even matter why they might assault her. If five people decide they want to physically harm one smaller person, they can.

There is more than one source of power. The PA is not Superman.

+2. And she didn't call the police or dial 911. So pp needs to stop arguing she was weaponizing her race or her tears.

The teens were weaponizing their numbers, strength, and size over her. She was clearly at a disadvantage. She assumed the best of them and didn't assume they would physically stop her from leaving with a bike she rented fair and square.

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Anonymous wrote:This has honestly turned into the dumbest story. Two people arguing over a bike, probably both in the wrong, and here we are almost 200 pages later arguing about it.

They both handled the bike dispute poorly, but only one of them filmed it and released it in the internet. Soooo … one of them was way worse.

You forgot that she was yelling "HELP ME HELP ME" as if she was in danger when it turns out she put herself in that position. Yea, the kid was being a dick by hoarding the bike and I would have been annoyed with him too, but she could have handled the interaction gracefully. They are both in the wrong.

I would feel threatened if someone shoved my bike into the dock and yelled lies at me about it being their bike.

So would I but now we have more information and this isn't what happened.

It’s exactly what happened. It’s what the video shows, the receipts substantiate, and what he said in *his own interview.*

There is only ONE fact actually in dispute here: whether (as he says) the boy was holding the bike and she “pushed” onto it despite him telling her he still wanted to rent it later; or whether (as she says) the bike was unattended.

Even if his version is true, that still does not support the false claims that she was “stealing” his bike and faking her distress to intentionally endanger him.

Unfortunately this episode has for me given the knowledge that actual racism/sexism exists against white women among some black people. The knee jerk reaction to a white person was to assume she is evil and intends harm; and moreover that white women are fundamentally evil. It is pretty disturbing.

Same here. The term Karen has concerned me as a racist, sexist, ageist trope for some time. What this incident shows is that it's become extremely easy to Karen a white woman for fun and leave it to grifters like Monique to platform it with racist dog whistles about tears etc, whip up the online pitchforks and mobs, and quickly ruin someone's life (because social media rewards this monetarily, in Monique's case). There's a large segment of the population, including the "ally" here, who won't even question it because, hey, white women are always and everywhere less than human.

I think the teens were just being teens and have no animus toward them, although I do think they were clearly in the wrong.

Nice try. That's not even near what any of us (and there are more than one of us) have said. White women are just very good at upholding white supremacy. No one is calling us less than human, we are just not falling for the 'mean black men innocent white girl' trope.

Nice try. Your response on this thread demonstrates without a doubt that you're falling back on the "mean white women innocent black men" trope. Own it.

Ally pp is also falling back on the "white women's tears" trope because there's no conceivable circumstance where a white woman being shoved around on a bike she's sitting on could actually need help. It's toxic.

The issue is you're stating that as if it's fact. As if she couldn't have done wrong before the video, like taken a bike they said they were using. No one is saying their behavior is "fine" - it's not, but the 'help me' bullshit was just dumb.

What’s “just dumb” is thinking that you can tell what someone is thinking and feeling based on a short video clip, particularly where there is one reasonable interpretation of the context that would support her reaction as genuine.

It is a well-known phenomenon that people can be bad at inferring emotion others are experiencing, and we often use our bias to make a biased interpretation. Anyone who can look at that video and conclude “she’s faking” uncritically is pretty ignorant.

+100. What this shows is that someone who buys into "all white women weaponize their tears in every situation," based on a video where they may have edited out the actual bike shoving, is going to think she was faking it. Which is pretty racist and sexist of them.

-- progressive woman

NP and unrelated to this incident but if you're progressive you should know that racism requires a power differential. We can't be racist against white women. Prejudiced, sure. Not racist.

Only according to a particular THEORY that has 1000 problems. You need to accept that not everyone buys this mere theory, however truthy it may feel to you and your echo chamber. This episode of a mob demanding the blood of a white woman illustrates a major problem with this theory.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Oh. PP means her whiteness is the ONLY thing that matters here. Doesn't matter that she didn't call for the police or anything. She's white, that's all that matters, and so she had no right to expect an e-bike and should have just STFU and pedaled home.

This, which is interesting given the conversations we've had in the last couple decades about intersectionality.

If intersectionality means that we need to think about multiple identities and how they interact (I believe it was first invoked to explain how black women can experience both racism and sexism at once in a way that intersects and is different from both how black men experience racism and how white women experience sexism), then it should matter that the PA in this situation is subject to sexism. And it's relevant that she's pregnant, since pregnancy is considered a form of disability (you can't fire someone for being pregnant, for instance, even if it renders them unable to perform all aspects of their job). Those identities should be relevant to the conversation.

But the people who believe the boys were in the right NO MATTER WHAT think that racism trumps everything else. Nevermind that women have been subjected to violence for being women since the beginning of time, never mind that pregnant women have long experience discrimination. That doesn't matter.

And we haven't even gotten into the fact that these boys are recent immigrants, which means the racism they experience is distinct from the racism that black people in the US whose ancestors were enslaved and subjected to Jim Crow and the lynching era. Which is not to say they don't experience racism, of course they do (and are from a place that was colonized). But it's still a different identity.

People want to impose this simplistic framework on this situation where the PA=white=bad and the boys=black=good and it's as dumb as the reverse framework would be.

What the hell was the point of talking about intersectionality and education people on these topics if it would just be used to flatten the way we interact with each other down to a single metric, skin color, and nothing else?

You sound dumb as heck.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Ironically, these men are screaming being poor and in the many hours they bike around the city they could be working. Maybe use the bikes to work.

Are they “screaming being poor”?

I think it’s okay for high school kids to not have to work a job after school.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Oh. PP means her whiteness is the ONLY thing that matters here. Doesn't matter that she didn't call for the police or anything. She's white, that's all that matters, and so she had no right to expect an e-bike and should have just STFU and pedaled home.

This, which is interesting given the conversations we've had in the last couple decades about intersectionality.

If intersectionality means that we need to think about multiple identities and how they interact (I believe it was first invoked to explain how black women can experience both racism and sexism at once in a way that intersects and is different from both how black men experience racism and how white women experience sexism), then it should matter that the PA in this situation is subject to sexism. And it's relevant that she's pregnant, since pregnancy is considered a form of disability (you can't fire someone for being pregnant, for instance, even if it renders them unable to perform all aspects of their job). Those identities should be relevant to the conversation.

But the people who believe the boys were in the right NO MATTER WHAT think that racism trumps everything else. Nevermind that women have been subjected to violence for being women since the beginning of time, never mind that pregnant women have long experience discrimination. That doesn't matter.

And we haven't even gotten into the fact that these boys are recent immigrants, which means the racism they experience is distinct from the racism that black people in the US whose ancestors were enslaved and subjected to Jim Crow and the lynching era. Which is not to say they don't experience racism, of course they do (and are from a place that was colonized). But it's still a different identity.

People want to impose this simplistic framework on this situation where the PA=white=bad and the boys=black=good and it's as dumb as the reverse framework would be.

What the hell was the point of talking about intersectionality and education people on these topics if it would just be used to flatten the way we interact with each other down to a single metric, skin color, and nothing else?

You sound dumb as heck.

Ah, name calling backed by nothing. Good work, you've won the argument!

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Oh. PP means her whiteness is the ONLY thing that matters here. Doesn't matter that she didn't call for the police or anything. She's white, that's all that matters, and so she had no right to expect an e-bike and should have just STFU and pedaled home.

This, which is interesting given the conversations we've had in the last couple decades about intersectionality.

If intersectionality means that we need to think about multiple identities and how they interact (I believe it was first invoked to explain how black women can experience both racism and sexism at once in a way that intersects and is different from both how black men experience racism and how white women experience sexism), then it should matter that the PA in this situation is subject to sexism. And it's relevant that she's pregnant, since pregnancy is considered a form of disability (you can't fire someone for being pregnant, for instance, even if it renders them unable to perform all aspects of their job). Those identities should be relevant to the conversation.

But the people who believe the boys were in the right NO MATTER WHAT think that racism trumps everything else. Nevermind that women have been subjected to violence for being women since the beginning of time, never mind that pregnant women have long experience discrimination. That doesn't matter.

And we haven't even gotten into the fact that these boys are recent immigrants, which means the racism they experience is distinct from the racism that black people in the US whose ancestors were enslaved and subjected to Jim Crow and the lynching era. Which is not to say they don't experience racism, of course they do (and are from a place that was colonized). But it's still a different identity.

People want to impose this simplistic framework on this situation where the PA=white=bad and the boys=black=good and it's as dumb as the reverse framework would be.

What the hell was the point of talking about intersectionality and education people on these topics if it would just be used to flatten the way we interact with each other down to a single metric, skin color, and nothing else?

You sound dumb as heck.

DP. I appreciate that pp brought intersectionality into it. It puts a name on what many here have been saying--she's white, yes, but she's also a pregnant woman whose household income is apparently not high enough to let her take a break from the 12-hour days or drive a car into work.

It's sad you haven't heard of intersectionality and how people are trying to add more nuance to--not flatten--discussions of race, sex, disability, age, and so on. And sad that you feel compelled to insult somebody's thoughtful post on the subject.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she’d just acted like the educated, privileged adult that she is.

Privileged because she's 6-months pregnant and coming off a 12-hour shift, and now she has to bike home to her apartment? Where's her chauffeur when she needs him!

Ironically, these men are screaming being poor and in the many hours they bike around the city they could be working. Maybe use the bikes to work.

Are they “screaming being poor”?

I think it’s okay for high school kids to not have to work a job after school.

The family interview said they receive various types of unspecified government aid, as part of the argument that they lack resources to defend themselves against pushback on this.

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Well, we don’t have additional fottage so at that moment it is impossible to put whole picture together.

But it doesn’t look good for minors. I say minors, beacuse they are not kids anymore and not adults yet. But they are still stronger than 95% of women.

Boys were most likely abusing common sense of bike sharing. I get, they are not rich and tried to find loophole not to get charged with additional fee after 45 minutes. No problem with that but not on expenses of other customers.

Problem is that this loophole is not waterproof. Once you dock bike to not get overcharged you have lost possession of your bike for at least two minutes and everybodie can rent it.

If you are squatting on bike, well, that is unlawfull and immmoral. You can pay additional fee after 45 minutes and you can ride bike for 24 hours. You dock it to save money you loose posession ovet this paticular bike. If it is free after 2 minutes you can rent it again, if not take other bike.

Without additional footage this is most likely scenario. Only question is if nurse impaled herself on bike with vigilante intentions as minor is claiming or she thought that bike is uncontested.

In both cases it was her right to rent docked bike as squatting doesn’t give you the right to abuse bike sharing.

And it is tragical that minor and his family are spewing out stuff like weaponizing teras, whitte woman, racist cops and vigilantes and suing her, meanwhile nurse has said that they are only minors and that she vill not take any legal action against them.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, we don’t have additional fottage so at that moment it is impossible to put whole picture together.

But it doesn’t look good for minors. I say minors, beacuse they are not kids anymore and not adults yet. But they are still stronger than 95% of women.

Boys were most likely abusing common sense of bike sharing. I get, they are not rich and tried to find loophole not to get charged with additional fee after 45 minutes. No problem with that but not on expenses of other customers.

Problem is that this loophole is not waterproof. Once you dock bike to not get overcharged you have lost possession of your bike for at least two minutes and everybodie can rent it.

If you are squatting on bike, well, that is unlawfull and immmoral. You can pay additional fee after 45 minutes and you can ride bike for 24 hours. You dock it to save money you loose posession ovet this paticular bike. If it is free after 2 minutes you can rent it again, if not take other bike.

Without additional footage this is most likely scenario. Only question is if nurse impaled herself on bike with vigilante intentions as minor is claiming or she thought that bike is uncontested.

In both cases it was her right to rent docked bike as squatting doesn’t give you the right to abuse bike sharing.

And it is tragical that minor and his family are spewing out stuff like weaponizing teras, whitte woman, racist cops and vigilantes and suing her, meanwhile nurse has said that they are only minors and that she vill not take any legal action against them.

It was the sister spewing. There is supposed to be an interview with the mom and young man but it was never shown nor have they been named. There has to be cameras in the area.

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Once bike is docked you don’t have right to prevent other customers to rent it for themselves. Never ever. Even with squatting.

Risk money and don’t dock it to reset bike for another free 45 minute ride. If you do that you risk to lose this particular bike,

An foremost dont’t squat bike when resetting it for another 45 minutes. It is unlawfull and immmoral, you could even say it is bullying other customers to sit on the bike and prevent them to rent them for themselves. Most people avoid confrotation with 5 youngsters squatting bikes. This particular PA didn’t.

This is not what bike sharing should be. Probably some NYC citizens will tell this is custom and not so seldom to see on the streets, but it is still unlawfull and immmoral.

This particular PA just lost her nerves after 12 hour shift and 6 months of pregnancy witnessing boys abusing bike sharing common sense. Move on, nothing to see here, adults should just put some youngster in order.

Unfortunelly every such altercation evolves to the race card.

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It’s sad that in the current moment only right wing outlets have any appetite to correct the record. You’d think there’d be at lease a few mainstream editorials on the harm of twitter pile-ons.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s sad that in the current moment only right wing outlets have any appetite to correct the record. You’d think there’d be at lease a few mainstream editorials on the harm of twitter pile-ons.

There was a USA Today opinion piece...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2023/05/23/citi-bike-karen-danger-confirmation-bias/70242982007/