Cliff Notes summary of MCPS boundary study fight?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only people who will be helped by rezoning at this level will be MCPS administrators who can hide behind averaged scores. From the MCPS perspective its better to have more low average schools than several high schools and low ranked schools because they get more grief about having the rock bottom scoring schools. It does not matter to them that there are tons of kids in the mediocre school failing at the same level as when they were in the low ranked schools.

The controversy surrounding rezoning is also distracting from all the other problems within MCPS so its a win for them.

Once the schools "average out," the system is no longer attractive to outsiders and to residents.

psychology 101

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only people who will be helped by rezoning at this level will be MCPS administrators who can hide behind averaged scores. From the MCPS perspective its better to have more low average schools than several high schools and low ranked schools because they get more grief about having the rock bottom scoring schools. It does not matter to them that there are tons of kids in the mediocre school failing at the same level as when they were in the low ranked schools.

The controversy surrounding rezoning is also distracting from all the other problems within MCPS so its a win for them.

They often put the weakest and greenest principals in the W schools where the scores are fine. If those schools start to have an influx of kids with greater needs and scores begin to drop, they also should reshuffle the administrators. Some of them can barely hack it now, when the biggest issue is an underperforming teacher driving parents mad.

Wasn't Dr. Benz at a W for like 30 years? You got to stop making these baseless generalizations. [/quote}

PP said weak and green. Benz, although not green, was definitely weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

[Anonymous]

Yes. There are a few streets that feed to WJ that are surrounded by houses that feed to Einstein and those streets are much closer to Einstein than WJ. Probably cost at least 100k more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

Who's offended? Worry about your property value all you like. Just don't insist, as the PP said, that it's the school system's job to care about your property value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

But dude, those people aren't saying, "hey this is going to affect the value of my home, and that's a hardship for me". They are saying "the BOE is an evil destroyer of communities and redistricting isn't going to help anyone anyway because diversity is a stupid goal so stop what you are doing right now and don't you dare so much as study this issue". Sometimes people have "viewpoints" that are dishonest and wrong, and it's not wrong to call people out on that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

Who's offended? Worry about your property value all you like. Just don't insist, as the PP said, that it's the school system's job to care about your property value.

Where did I INSIST that it's the school system's job to worry about my property value? Read the part in bold, and then forgive yourself for reprimanding me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

But dude, those people aren't saying, "hey this is going to affect the value of my home, and that's a hardship for me". They are saying "the BOE is an evil destroyer of communities and redistricting isn't going to help anyone anyway because diversity is a stupid goal so stop what you are doing right now and don't you dare so much as study this issue". Sometimes people have "viewpoints" that are dishonest and wrong, and it's not wrong to call people out on that.

First of all, using "dude" is immature and silly.

Dude aside, people have different viewpoints. You clearly think yours is right. Good for you! If you're so happy about your feelings, why are you bothered over a conflicting viewpoint?

Your side will most likely win, yes?

So why do you care about the reasons behind their worried perspectives?

Happy people aren't bothered by the actions of others. Let it be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. There are a few streets that feed to WJ that are surrounded by houses that feed to Einstein and those streets are much closer to Einstein than WJ. Probably cost at least 100k more.

Not for much longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. There are a few streets that feed to WJ that are surrounded by houses that feed to Einstein and those streets are much closer to Einstein than WJ. Probably cost at least 100k more.

Property Values!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is really going to be helped by this kind of musical chairs approach to redistricting? Are kids who move from WJ to Churchill , or Churchill to Wootton, really going to be better off? Will it signficantly change the FARMS mix of the various schools? Seems like a lot of inconvenience to families for not much in the way of concrete results.

Shift people around as little as possible to deal with disparities in capacity in the various schools --- which even critics will find defensible, even if it is not something that they welcome -- and leave it at that.

DP... despite what some people think, the boundary analysis is not just about diversity. It's taking a look at our current boundaries, and even in the western side of the county, some of the boundaries are wacky. Those need to be redrawn, too.

Why fix boundaries where there isn’t a problem? Do you want them to all be a perfect circle? Never going to happen. It’s wasteful and harms communities and kids to break up schools.

There is a problem. It's called "over crowded". Many of the clusters are very overcrowded, while neighboring ones are under capacity. But instead of rezoning and balancing capacity, MCPS has been adding new builds. Now, that is a huge waste of money.

People like you claim that the new boundaries that MCPS *might* draw will make no sense, but you seem fine with the current boundaries that make no sense.

Kids move schools all the time. My kids had to when we moved from a different state; I had to move different schools, so did DH, so did my nieces and nephews. And they and I were ALL fine. Get over yourself. Moving schools is not "harmful" or else the military would be harming military brats who switch schools very often. Same for foreign service officers' children.

This is about your property value, and nothing else. At least be honest about it.

+1 How much of the anxiety over redistricting is coming from people with high-priced houses in places like southern Kensington that feed into Walter Johnson but are much, much closer to Einstein? It's not the school system's job to care about the value of your house, nor should it be.

No, it's the school system's job to educate kids, although I don't have faith in the system. But that's another story.

It is a hardship on families who have lost value on their homes. And families, as a result, will be looking for ways to protect themselves.

funny how SJW become offended when people worry over home values - Let it be, folks! We all have different outlooks; our perspectives drive our actions. In other words, you do you and don't worry about others. If redistricting is your thing, be happy! There's no need to slam people with a different viewpoint.

But dude, those people aren't saying, "hey this is going to affect the value of my home, and that's a hardship for me". They are saying "the BOE is an evil destroyer of communities and redistricting isn't going to help anyone anyway because diversity is a stupid goal so stop what you are doing right now and don't you dare so much as study this issue". Sometimes people have "viewpoints" that are dishonest and wrong, and it's not wrong to call people out on that.

First of all, using "dude" is immature and silly.

Dude aside, people have different viewpoints. You clearly think yours is right. Good for you! If you're so happy about your feelings, why are you bothered over a conflicting viewpoint?

Your side will most likely win, yes?

So why do you care about the reasons behind their worried perspectives?

Happy people aren't bothered by the actions of others. Let it be.

You're not making any sense. You're saying I should respect people with different viewpoints, but you don't seem to think I should express mine, and you yourself resort to name-calling (SJW? lol). Let me put it this way. Your viewpoint doesn't upset me. I just think it's wrong. Does that upset you? Why do you care? We can go around and around like this all day long.

[Anonymous]

Cliff notes version of the boundary study fight is this map:

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/ServiceAreaMaps/WalterJohnsonHS.pdf

plus a search of values of homes in in southern Kensington that currently feed into Walter Johnson but are unlikely to continue as such since they are much closer to Einstein.