Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

[Anonymous]

The New York Times has a witness saying the officer went completely down and hit the ground hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

Do you honestly think that police officers have no duty to assess the situation and see what kind of force is necessary? Wow. I mean, wow. What kind of world to you live in?

We are literally taking about a split second decision in this case. I don’t care who you are, or how you are trained, or how much experience you have, a split second decision is always difficult. You make it sound like this should have been such an easy situation to assess and react without anyone getting hurt. Wow. I mean wow. Must be nice to live in your world where you have all the answers 100% of the time.

If he's incapable of properly assessing the situation maybe he shouldn't carry around a lethal weapon. Maybe he should carry a Taser or something so that his mistakes aren't DEADLY.

[Anonymous]

We don’t know he made a mistake.

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It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t know he made a mistake.

He made three mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

You don’t know that.
He made a split second decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

As the parent of a child with a disability, I’m going to venture a guess that one of this man’s parents told him, or might have been in the process of telling him when he shot them.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t know he made a mistake.

He made three mistakes.

I think he likely made 2.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

If he was patiently standing in line, officer would not have been on the ground

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

As the parent of a child with a disability, I’m going to venture a guess that one of this man’s parents told him, or might have been in the process of telling him when he shot them.

He shot three people who had no evidence of being armed, two of whom were elderly, and presumably didn't touch him or his child. Whether the disabled man who was killed was shot bumped him accidentally or jumped on him because he was freaked out for some reason, that's still disproportionate force.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

You don’t know that.
He made a split second decision.

It was a decision that likely should cost him his badge. He opened fire on three people in a crowded Costco for god's sake-one is dead and two are in critical condition. None of the people had any evidence of being armed. That's a disproportionate use of force if ever there was one.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

You don’t know that.
He made a split second decision.

If his default reaction for split-second decisions is shoot everyone around him then he shouldn't carry a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

You don’t know that.
He made a split second decision.

It was a decision that likely should cost him his badge. He opened fire on three people in a crowded Costco for god's sake-one is dead and two are in critical condition. None of the people had any evidence of being armed. That's a disproportionate use of force if ever there was one.

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[Anonymous]

If he hit his head he could have had impaired judgment.
If he truly was knocked out, he wasn’t of sound mind.

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Anonymous wrote:It was not a “split-second decision” for Pete’s sake! No one was armed except the officer. They were all standing in line for food samples! There was plenty of time for a REASONABLE person to assess the situation, let alone an experienced and trained law enforcement officer.

You don’t know that.
He made a split second decision.

If his default reaction for split-second decisions is shoot everyone around him then he shouldn't carry a gun.

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