Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

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what we DO know is that nobody would be dead or in the ICU shot if he hadn't had a gun.

No, we absolutely do NOT know that. Who knows how long/how that man would have attacked the officer and his child? Who knows what other customers might have done to try and jump in and "help?"

Exactly. We don’t know what would have happened.

stop it. other countries with better gun laws have fewer gun deaths and lower homicide rates. no gun, nobody gets shot. situation gets de-escalated.

And Emmanuel Aranda didn't need a gun to inflict serious damage on a 5 year old innocent boy when he threw him off a 3 story balcony in the Mall of America. When someone with mental illness starts attacking an innocent child, I don't care about "de-escaulating" without a gun. I care about stopping the assault on the child. If using a gun gets the assault STOPPED with minimal damage (the only ones hurt in this situation were the perpetrator and his enablers) that is success.

This right here.

If indeed the cop was assaulted, then the man who was shot was the perpetrator and not an innocent victim.

It just depends on the specifics of the situation. Generally speaking, a fist fight should stay a fist fight. You better have a damn good reason for taking out your gun in that type of situation. Being a puzzy is not a good reason. Not that it is very relevant to this incident, but cops have become to dependent on tasers and freak out if they have to fight someone nowadays.

Would you want to get into a fist fight with a massive 32 year old man while holding your baby? All while two other people (his parents) AlSO come charging at you? Are there more of them? How about if you don't know if this massive man or any of his accomplices have weapons? How many other innocent people are also standing by that could possibly be hurt?
And you have the power to "de-escalate" the whole situation...with your gun. You're really telling me you're going to keep "fist fighting" this guy, and his parents, and who knows who else he has with him--while holding your baby in one arm?

First of all - YES I expect police officers to be trained in de-escalation. THAT IS THEIR JOB. Not to shoot every time they feel scared. I mean really, have some higher standards?

Second of all - you have to look at this on a society-wide level. It is NOT OK to live in a society where everyone is packing and shoots wildly in public places whenever they get into an altercation. This is the WHOLE REASON to have gun control: so the consequences of these kinds of incidents can be reduced.

NP. You can't deescalate someone attacking you. You have to beat their ass or taze them!

As far as shooting wildly, most cops miss most of their shots. It's not easy to put rounds on target, especially when you feel that your life is in danger. It sucks that innocent people get hit sometimes, but there is often no alternative.

I just find this post incredibly disgusting and scary. The police are supposed to "protect and serve." Not approach every situation with fear for their lives and armed to the teeth, focused on protecting themselves and then shrugging that "innocent people get hit sometimes, but there is often no alternative." What kind of absolute dystopia do you live in?

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Probably the complete opposite of your LaLaLand, where when you are being attacked, you sing Kumbaya and offer to talk about your feelings instead of actually protecting yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:So according to the recent LA Times article, the officer is being identified as Salvador Sanchez.

So we've got a "gentle giant" WHITE man attacking a BROWN man and his baby, and many posters on this thread want to say that the racist officer shot a "disabled man" because of his brown skin.

What are you babbling about? No one even knew the race of the officer until now. But way to play the victim to defend the 100% innocent cop.

Leftist swiveling when the race card was first played and the leftists find out the officer is brown

Is he brown? Hispanic isn’t a race. Plenty of white Latinos. Including ones who shoot black unarmed teens.

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

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Anonymous wrote:If you go to the perpetrators facebook page, there's some very interesting comments (made since the incident) as comments to the perpetrator's last (public) post. Someone named Jeremy Ma has interesting information, not sure how he knows it or if it's completely accurate.

perpetrator? you mean the police officer?

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Anonymous wrote:Irrational trigger happy cop with gun vs. autistic teen? Why is this even a question?

If anyone is in a position to deescalate this situation, it should be the person with the gun. SHOULD BE.

What autistic teen? Kenneth French was 32 years old.

People with autism can also get violent

Neurotypical people can also get violent.

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

Do you honestly think that police officers have no duty to assess the situation and see what kind of force is necessary? Wow. I mean, wow. What kind of world to you live in?

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Anonymous wrote:so many gun nut, police apologists on this thread, twisting themselves into pretzels to try and justify what this reckless off duty cop did.

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Disgusting.

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+1 I can't believe that someone could look at this situation with a disabled man dead, his parents in critical condition at the hospital, and a cop unharmed, and say that everything went correctly in this situation.

If you are attacked and have a reasonable fear that your life is in danger, then "attacker ends up dead and you are unharmed" is precisely the desired and proper outcome.

No. Attacking someone without sufficient mental capacity means the cop basically killed someone who had the mental equivalent of a minor child. And the elderly parents of that child are in the hospital in critical condition. If you see this as "the proper outcome," I recommend counseling because you sound like a sociopath.

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"desired and proper outcome" - WTF?!

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More information on the lack of training to deal with people with disabilities and mental illness:

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/13/705887493/how-one-mothers-battle-is-changing-police-training-on-disabilities

https://www.chicagoreporter.com/for-people-with-disabilities-chicago-police-consent-decree-is-just-a-first-step-toward-reform/

http://rudermanfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/MediaStudy-PoliceDisability_final-final.pdf

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I’m glad there was surveillance cameras and many eye-witnesses. The family of the victims has been contacted by multiple bystanders refuting the police account of what happened.

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Shooter was identified as Salvador Sanchez by today’s LA Times article:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-costco-tasting-line-dispute-shooting-corona-20190618-story.html%3foutputType=amp

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Anonymous wrote:Red flag: cousin could not identify what was wrong with the guy, but knew enough about him to declare the officer wrong

Huh? Plenty of family members will know that cousin Jimmy is "off" in someway given that he's 32 and required care from his parents, even if they can't describe the exact medical diagnosis. But way to search for ways to throw shade at relatives who have just had a family member gunned down.

I have a cousin this age, also a gentle giant, who has defied several experts’ attempts to diagnosis with anything more specific than pervasive developmental disorder as a toddler. We may not have a name for his exact disability, but everyone knows he can’t live on his own and needs an adult caregiver on outings. He’s tall, but hardly hulking and it sickens me to think he’d be shot for being unable to express something putting him in extreme distress.

Once again, how would the cop know about a mental disability? It’s not like someone is coming at you and the person being attacked holds up their hands and says “everyone just stop for a minute. By any chance do you have any disabilities, physical or mental, that I should know about before we continue? Your answer impacts how I will proceed, so respond carefully!”

Somehow, in other countries, there are not the same number of un-armed mentally ill or developmentally disabled people shot by police officers as happens here. And yes, I expect police officers to be trained in identifying mentallly ill or developmentally disabled or intoxicated people, and know how to not escalate. I don't think you have any clue about how these incidents actually unfold.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/police-command-and-control-culture-often-lethal

Your article talks about how officers should respond when they know, or should know, when someone has a disability. And it says nothing about training to discern whether or not someone has a disability.

How did the Costco shooter know the aggressor had a disability?

Do you honestly think that police officers have no duty to assess the situation and see what kind of force is necessary? Wow. I mean, wow. What kind of world to you live in?

We are literally taking about a split second decision in this case. I don’t care who you are, or how you are trained, or how much experience you have, a split second decision is always difficult. You make it sound like this should have been such an easy situation to assess and react without anyone getting hurt. Wow. I mean wow. Must be nice to live in your world where you have all the answers 100% of the time.