The phrase "better metric" implies that the metric in question is a good metric. But test scores are not necessarily a good metric because there are so many other factors, many of which cannot be reduced to a metric. If 80 percent of lottery winners are broke in five years, does that mean if I win the lottery there is an 80 percent chance I will be broke in five years? No, it doesn't. If 40 percent of students at my kid's high school test poorly on standardized tests, does that mean my child might? No, it doesn't. |
RM IB and non-IB are totally different if you are looking at test scores. I don't know how many FARMs stats in RM are coming due to FARMs students studying in IB here, but that may skew stats. |
I am not the PP who believes s/he is better parent because s/he makes more money. That person is a complete moron. Talking about test scores: I agree, they are not perfect, but they are the only quantitative metric we have. You like it or not, as correlated with SES as they are, the test scores mirror the level of education a school provides. Some school struggle with low SES students and it shows in the test scores. Putting your head in the sand and saying that all the schools are good is something that I expect BOE members to say, not an objective observer. |
Test scores are a data point. If kids from school A get scores considerably higher than similar kids (race, SES etc) at school B then it's probable that school A does a better job of educating that group of kids. That's the comparison to make WRT test scores, not just the overall for the school. |
Prepared for what? If you mean college level work, you are wrong. |
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Here are the 2016 SAT scores for mcps:
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/info/pdf/160929%20SAT%20Exam%20Participation%20Perform.pdf Scroll down to page 19 where scores are broken out by school and race. At Einstein, which is a majority-minority school with a highish FARMS rate and NO magnet program, white kids have an average SAT score of 1821. These students aren't hurting and are college ready. For comparison, white students' scores at other schools without magnets: WJ 1831 Wootton 1822 Churchill 1895 Whitman 1932 BCC 1864 Sherwood 1689 Can this thread be done now, please. |
I don’t get how people use the argument “test scores are only tied to SES” and then send their kids to a school with a bunch of really poor kids. SES is environmental as much as inherently germane to the family. You are undercutting your SES by not taking advantage of it, it doesn’t make immune your kids immune for the drags of the system if they are exsposed to it. |
Say what? Socioeconomic status refers to the family of origin's economic situation. That is what studies look at vis-a-vis school performance and success. Poverty is not contagious. |
All I see is Einstein had the lowest score, other than Sherwood. Also there are so few white kids at Einstein it isn’t really a fair pool. What ever limited resources get broken out for the handful of middle class families, where schools like Whitman where every kids every kid need that level of enrichment. Also I love how Blair parents take great pride in the accomplishments of West county kids that are bussed to the school. Seems sort of disingenuous, you know where there are lots of high achieving kids like the west county kids you think makes Blair so special? West county, the schools there are filled with them. http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Grand-Prize-in-Science-Competition-Goes-to-Bethesda-Teen-for-Work-on-Auction-Security/ |
Because as others keep saying, test scores is just one of many factors that make a school "good". Mostly, test scores is about SES. Sure, some lower income students do very well on SATs, and conversely some upper income kids don't do that well on SATs. But, in general, SAT scores are indeed tied to SES. ^^PP posted a thread stopper. White kids at Einstein score pretty close to white kids at some W schools. So, if you are a middle income white kid, you will probably score about the same at Einstein as you would at Wootton. I agree there is some critical mass in terms of FARMs, however, in that too high FARMs rate can cause issues in school, though it may not impact a student's overall SAT score. But, I also feel that a really wealthy school has its own share of issues that I think would impact my DC's school experience. For us, we like having a mix of SES, not that such a school doesn't have its share of issues, but the issues don't seem as exaggerated. |
Poverty is contagious, go live in SE and send you kids to school there, of course you wouldn’t... why is that? Also as proof, go read the Atlantic’s artical on poverty’s recidivism rates for African Americans which it attributes it heavily to their inclination to live in high poverty areas even after breaking into the middle class due to their desire to live among other AA. I think it is a misleading that higher SES kids do better on test scores in low SES schools as it comes down to exsposure to information which is higher in those house holds. While the test scores are not impacted as much, the life standards and environmental impacts are more likely to align with the lower SES crowd due to peer influence which kids are highly susceptible to. |
I'm no statistician, but is a 10 point difference between Einstein and WJ significant? I'm thinking not. I agree this should be a thread stopper - but apparently it is not to those desperate to justify buying in Bethesda or Potomac, to prove that they and their kids are far superior (not just academically) to those of us in our shit shacks. |
| Weren't we discussing gang activity in mcps? I doubt any ms-13 kids stick around long enough to take the SATs. |
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Once the kid is age 20 MCPS has to click them out, even if they are freshmen or sophomores or have babies of their own using the taxpayer-funded title 1 nurseries on-site.
“Montgomery county community college” is happy to have them as taxpayer-funded students thereafter, indefinitely. cASA can help you sign up for all that you could possibly need and not need. |
So kids at Whitman are more entitled to enrichment? More deserving? What exactly are you implying? I say good for that kid from Bethesda. Does that mean every kid who does well at Blair is bused in from the west? Of course not. Do you feel bad for him because he was dragged down by having to sit next to the local kids in the non magnet classes he took? As you know, plenty of kids from Silver Spring do very well at Blair and their parents have a right to be proud of their kid's school. I can't believe you have the audacity to call that disingenuous. |