That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

True fact: I drank a lot of alcohol in college and did not finger any unconscious women behind a dumpster.

True fact: Not everyone has the same intelligence level, emotional maturity, social experience, impulse control, ability to handle alcohol,etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

Exactly. And our daughters need to know how to try to protect themselves from people like this one. Punishment after the fact doesn't change what the victim has to endure for a lifetime.

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.

No, IT WAS A RAPE, you idiot

Do you think a woman ever bears any responsibility re staying sober, not trusting drunk strangers, not walking down a street at 2 a.m. alone, etc? We're not doing any favors to perpetuate the myth that women can be and do anything they want and go anywhere they want without being responsible for their own safety to the degree possible. That's beyond naive and truly not very smart.

Nope. Stop blaming the victim. Think about how you would react if she was mugged. You would call the attacker a "thug" an "animal", right? Violating someone's body is a million times worse. The boy is a piece of shit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

True. When a girl goes to a party, accidentally drinks too much, cheats on her boyfriend and ends up by a dumpster, she shouldn't drink. No college kid should drink.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

Exactly. And our daughters need to know how to try to protect themselves from people like this one. Punishment after the fact doesn't change what the victim has to endure for a lifetime.

Girls who drink themselves into oblivion take a calculated risk that they will be taken advantage of in their inebriated state. So it has always been and so will it always be, regardless of what percentage of men or women who capitalize on their stupidity are punished.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

Exactly. And our daughters need to know how to try to protect themselves from people like this one. Punishment after the fact doesn't change what the victim has to endure for a lifetime.

Girls who drink themselves into oblivion take a calculated risk that they will be taken advantage of in their inebriated state. So it has always been and so will it always be, regardless of what percentage of men or women who capitalize on their stupidity are punished.

Men who take the metro alone at night are taking a calculated risk that they will be beaten up and mugged in their vulnerable state. So it has been and so it will always be.


Fool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

There is no way that as a woman I will say that a strange man at a party is responsible for me and my drinking and my behavior. He isn't. If I'm willingly making out with him that's on me. But if I'm passed out behind a dumpster and he is doing as he pleases with my passed out body - that is 100% on him. There is poor judgement and there is sexual assault. This was without a doubt - non-consensual sexual assault. Thank God those Swedes showed up when they did.

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She didn't accidentally get drunk. Her blood alcohol was three times the legal limit. That is no accident.

That said, everything I've read points to total guilt on his part. Being behind a dumpster. Running away when the guys saw them. The major fact that she was not conscious. I cannot believe he didn't realize that. Seriously you wouldn't know if a woman was passed out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

True fact: I drank a lot of alcohol in college and did not finger any unconscious women behind a dumpster.

True fact: Not everyone has the same intelligence level, emotional maturity, social experience, impulse control, ability to handle alcohol,etc.

How about when in doubt, don't have sex with the person. No mental gymnastics or genius needed. Can't figure it out? THEN JUST STOP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

I think the line is simple. Would you agree that your mom, sister, cousin or aunt is giving consent in the situation? As PPs have mentioned, rape is about violence and power and not sex. He's a rapist who got caught violently raping an unconscious female. Thank goodness for the two Swedes. I forget which justice ended the porn debate. "I know it when I see it" despite difficulty in coming to agreement on a definition. The Swedes saw it and saved her from further harm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

There is no way that as a woman I will say that a strange man at a party is responsible for me and my drinking and my behavior. He isn't. If I'm willingly making out with him that's on me. But if I'm passed out behind a dumpster and he is doing as he pleases with my passed out body - that is 100% on him. There is poor judgement and there is sexual assault. This was without a doubt - non-consensual sexual assault. Thank God those Swedes showed up when they did.

Yes. While there can be cases with blurry lines, this is not it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

This kid not only has never had a conversation about consent, but neither he nor his parents understand that what he did was wrong. Why let a little rape dim a bright future?

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_29984426/stanford-sexual-assault-letter-from-brock-turners-father

What is the line for a boy at a college party when a girl starts getting physical with him after she has had a drink? Is it one drink? Two? Three? Four? Five?

You tell me. What is the delineator? What is the exact conversation he should be having with her along the way?

"Hey, are you awake?" Would have been an excellent start.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

And when a kid gets so drunk that he forgets about consent, he should go to jail. If he can't control himself, he shouldn't drink.

Exactly. And our daughters need to know how to try to protect themselves from people like this one. Punishment after the fact doesn't change what the victim has to endure for a lifetime.

Girls who drink themselves into oblivion take a calculated risk that they will be taken advantage of in their inebriated state. So it has always been and so will it always be, regardless of what percentage of men or women who capitalize on their stupidity are punished.

Men who take the metro alone at night are taking a calculated risk that they will be beaten up and mugged in their vulnerable state. So it has been and so it will always be.


Fool.

Yes, there's a very high chance of a drunk single guy riding on the Metro alone at night being beaten up, mugged, and robbed of money and any valuables while in a vulnerable state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It can be very confusing for an 18 or 19 year old boy when he is with a girl and they both been drinking heavily in regards to where the line is...especially if he has no explicit conversations with anyone about the exact parameters of what constitutes consent.

In many cases, you are asking a boy whose judgment is impaired to make judgment calls on the amount of impairment of the girl, something that can be very hard for him to do. A boy can be drunk and not realize the girl is as drunk or drunker than he is.

I would expect a kid who gets into Stanford to realize that he should not finger a woman who is unconscious behind a dumpster.

But he was a DRUNK kid who got into Stanford. Brains and rational thought go out the window when you're that drunk. Women can't trust someone like that to care what they're doing.

True fact: I drank a lot of alcohol in college and did not finger any unconscious women behind a dumpster.

True fact: Not everyone has the same intelligence level, emotional maturity, social experience, impulse control, ability to handle alcohol,etc.

How about when in doubt, don't have sex with the person. No mental gymnastics or genius needed. Can't figure it out? THEN JUST STOP.

Take a good, hard look at the mugshots of convicted rapists and child molestors who've been sent to prison. Then tell us if you think they give a flying f..... about not having sex with their victims. I'm far more interested in doing all that's humanly possible to prevent a criminal act BEFORE the crime is committed.