Pamela Geller is nuts

[Muslima]

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

Well said!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

You're a fool. It's tiny. Muslims are all over the world, not just in the middle east.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

Yes it absolutely is tiny. A quarter of the world's population, 1.6 billion people, is Muslim. ISIS is 25 thousand troops, max. Al Qaeda is at most 1,000 core members and maybe 10,000 counting affiliates.

All that adds up to a few hundredths of one percent of the Muslim population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

Yes it absolutely is tiny. A quarter of the world's population, 1.6 billion people, is Muslim. ISIS is 25 thousand troops, max. Al Qaeda is at most 1,000 core members and maybe 10,000 counting affiliates.

All that adds up to a few hundredths of one percent of the Muslim population.

Not saying your math is bad, but there are at least a few other groups you should take in to account, the Taliban and Boko Haram to name a couple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

You're a fool. It's tiny. Muslims are all over the world, not just in the middle east.

And wreaking havoc in those countries as well

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Anonymous wrote:I do believe in fact, that Islam does kill gay men, that they support killing gay men, and that it is much more than a small minority that believe this to be ok.

These are your words. No argument, right? So, just drop your protestations that you only oppose "radical" Muslims. The words that you type clearly show that you attribute to an entire religion the deeds of a small minority. The vast majority of Muslims do not kill gay men and do not support killing gay men. This is a misrepresentation based in your Islamophobia.

Does the government of, say, Iran, prosecute the murder of gay individuals? How about Syria? The Washington Post had this to say:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-double-threat-for-gay-men-in-syria/2014/04/25/30117ee2-ca3a-11e3-a75e-463587891b57_story.html

it's not a 'phobia' to state the truth, that a particular religion has persecuted gays in countries that do not prosecute it, because they condone it.

It is, however, bigoted to minimize the horror gay individuals face in these countries. Congrats. You've earned it.

I believe you have conveniently forgotten the persecution gay men face from others as well. I'll just leave these here:

http://m.thenation.com/blog/179191-its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://m.christianpost.com/news/bible-says-gays-should-be-executed-and-i-believe-every-word-says-arizona-pastor--99583/

Does that justify Islam's horrific track record re: gay people? I'd say no.

It doesn't justify it, no. But it should signify that you should not single out Islam as homophobic when other religions also have this issue. You can fight against homophobic regimes, nations, politics, but to single out Islam over other equally homophobic religions for that issue is just bigoted.

Some of the anti-Muslim posters have singled out Islam for their homophobic issues, despite the fact that it has been pointed out that these issues are common in other religions as well including Christianity (as illustrated above).

Some anti-Muslim posters have denounced Islam for FGM, yet the issue is not a religious issue. This is a practice that is common on the continent of Africa in multiple nations, many of which are Muslim, but also common in several other nations, including Christian ones.

The point is that yes, many Muslims have these deplorable practices, but these practices are not a part of their religion, but usually part of the culture or nation. Some of us are saying don't blame the religion for non-religious practices performed by some members. Otherwise it would be appropriate to blame all of Christianity for the deplorable behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church. Or for abortion house bombings.

The act of terror part of their religion. Denying that is simply a smokescreen. To uncouple religion and culture is ridiculous, though I know it's something progressives have to do in order to justify deplorable actions.

The Westboro Baptist Church is one tiny group in Kansas who cannot do much damage, and hasn't, unless you consider carrying signs and calling names damage. . Radical Islam, on the other hand, is responsible for much mayhem and murder. I have not heard much public outcry from Muslims around the world, condemning the actions of Radicals. They are either complicit or fearful, the latter of which I can at least understand, considering how brutal radicals are. I know many who escaped here, that express that fear and are outraged at the foolishness of those think they understand or think they are being 'wise' and 'compassionate'. They thought they were safe here. They now no longer believe that is so.

There is also the 'under the hood' sponsoring of terror, i.e. those that publicly speak against it, but otherwise fund it. Progressive democrats are in the process of providing a path to nuclear weapons to a nation that does just that. The foolishness of this move, is astounding, but I have to say, given the track record of progressive democrats have for completely screwing up anything they touch (Chicago, Detroit, New York City as examples), I am not surprised.

Yet radical Islam is still one tiny group.

Mainstream Muslims around the world condemn the radicals. But how would you hear them, given where you get your news sources? Did it ever occur to you that most of the people fighting ISIS are Muslims?

Not so tiny. And certainly quite dangerous and well funded. And Isis aren't the only dangerous factions.

Blaming sources doesn't make the point wrong.

Yes it absolutely is tiny. A quarter of the world's population, 1.6 billion people, is Muslim. ISIS is 25 thousand troops, max. Al Qaeda is at most 1,000 core members and maybe 10,000 counting affiliates.

All that adds up to a few hundredths of one percent of the Muslim population.

Not saying your math is bad, but there are at least a few other groups you should take in to account, the Taliban and Boko Haram to name a couple.

It's doubtful that the Taliban would amount to anything except for the fact that we invaded Afghanistan. They used to number in the very low thousands. The biggest number I could find for the Taliban, ever, is 35,000. Boko Haram 7-10,000.

We are still at a few hundredths of a percent. If anyone wants to throw in other groups, we'll tally them up.

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And yet despite the higher numbers of Muslim extremists there are still thousands of Christian extremists including the Army of God that has bombed abortion clinics killing many, Concerned Christians who were deported from Israel because of plots discovered to bomb historical religious sites in Jerusalem, the various Christian terrorists involved in the Northern Ireland aggressions, the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, and the Tripura Liberation Front, there are probably close to 50-75% Christian extremist terrorists worldwide relative to the Muslim extremists.

And between the Army of God abortion clinic bombings and Eric Rudolph's bombings, Christian terrorist have caused almost as much violence against Americans on US soil as Muslim terrorists have. But we always seem to find a way to excuse Christian terrorists and condemn Muslim terrorists.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet despite the higher numbers of Muslim extremists there are still thousands of Christian extremists including the Army of God that has bombed abortion clinics killing many, Concerned Christians who were deported from Israel because of plots discovered to bomb historical religious sites in Jerusalem, the various Christian terrorists involved in the Northern Ireland aggressions, the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, and the Tripura Liberation Front, there are probably close to 50-75% Christian extremist terrorists worldwide relative to the Muslim extremists.

And between the Army of God abortion clinic bombings and Eric Rudolph's bombings, Christian terrorist have caused almost as much violence against Americans on US soil as Muslim terrorists have. But we always seem to find a way to excuse Christian terrorists and condemn Muslim terrorists.

I don't think that it's relevant to get into a debate about the body count.

The overarching point is that our total count of Islamic extremists is still a few hundredths of a percent. That means that nearly all Muslims are being unfairly disparaged on this board and elsewhere.

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Yes it absolutely is tiny. A quarter of the world's population, 1.6 billion people, is Muslim. ISIS is 25 thousand troops, max. Al Qaeda is at most 1,000 core members and maybe 10,000 counting affiliates.

All that adds up to a few hundredths of one percent of the Muslim population.

You are comparing apples and oranges. You comparing the number of ISIS soldiers -- mainly males between 15 and 40 who are willing to give up everything to fight for the ISIS cause -- with the entire Muslim population. It is more relevant to compare the number of ISIS soldiers with the total number of Muslim soldiers. Or you could compare the total number of ISIS supporters and believers with the general Muslim population, but this is something very hard to determine since it is dangerous in most (Arab and non-Arab) countries to admit you support ISIS.

But even your 25,000 troops max number is ridiculously low. There are an estimated 20,000 foreign fighters in ISIS ( http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-continues-steady-recruitment-20000-foreign-fighters-join-extremist-groups-syria-1812440 ). The headlines today are about their continued military successes ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/isis-gains-control-of-major-iraqi-city/2015/05/15/68a8036c-fb0c-11e4-a47c-e56f4db884ed_story.html?hpid=z5 ). Do you really think they could be doing this with 5000 non-foreign troops, and no support among the populace?

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Yes it absolutely is tiny. A quarter of the world's population, 1.6 billion people, is Muslim. ISIS is 25 thousand troops, max. Al Qaeda is at most 1,000 core members and maybe 10,000 counting affiliates.

All that adds up to a few hundredths of one percent of the Muslim population.

You are comparing apples and oranges. You comparing the number of ISIS soldiers -- mainly males between 15 and 40 who are willing to give up everything to fight for the ISIS cause -- with the entire Muslim population. It is more relevant to compare the number of ISIS soldiers with the total number of Muslim soldiers. Or you could compare the total number of ISIS supporters and believers with the general Muslim population, but this is something very hard to determine since it is dangerous in most (Arab and non-Arab) countries to admit you support ISIS.

But even your 25,000 troops max number is ridiculously low. There are an estimated 20,000 foreign fighters in ISIS ( http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-continues-steady-recruitment-20000-foreign-fighters-join-extremist-groups-syria-1812440 ). The headlines today are about their continued military successes ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/isis-gains-control-of-major-iraqi-city/2015/05/15/68a8036c-fb0c-11e4-a47c-e56f4db884ed_story.html?hpid=z5 ). Do you really think they could be doing this with 5000 non-foreign troops, and no support among the populace?

Come up with your own numbers. But no, you don't get to judge the number of peaceful muslims based on the size of the army they pay for.

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You are comparing apples and oranges. You comparing the number of ISIS soldiers -- mainly males between 15 and 40 who are willing to give up everything to fight for the ISIS cause -- with the entire Muslim population. It is more relevant to compare the number of ISIS soldiers with the total number of Muslim soldiers. Or you could compare the total number of ISIS supporters and believers with the general Muslim population, but this is something very hard to determine since it is dangerous in most (Arab and non-Arab) countries to admit you support ISIS.

No, you are wrong that they are apples and oranges. The point is that several PPs have tried to blame Muslims, as in all Muslims, for the actions of the radical extremist Muslims. What the last PP was pointing out was that you cannot blame all of Islam for the actions of less than 0.01 percent of the religion's faithful.

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You know how many Isis supporters there are? Not many. What you have is a bunch of farmers keeping their heads down as the latest warlords wash over them again. It's the way things have always been there. Isis is its military.