We don’t know if there are gods, or a God

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Wanna know what's wrong/stupid about this meme?

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing. Atheism makes NO CLAIM about the origin of the universe.

That's the main thing that's wrong. Let me repeat it so you don't miss it.

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing.

There's more that is wrong, and how you self-defeat yourself with this meme, but let's deal with the above first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wanna know what's wrong/stupid about this meme?

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing. Atheism makes NO CLAIM about the origin of the universe.

That's the main thing that's wrong. Let me repeat it so you don't miss it.

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing.

There's more that is wrong, and how you self-defeat yourself with this meme, but let's deal with the above first.

The quality of the meme tells you all you need to know about that “believer”. Stupid AF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wanna know what's wrong/stupid about this meme?

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing. Atheism makes NO CLAIM about the origin of the universe.

That's the main thing that's wrong. Let me repeat it so you don't miss it.

Atheism does not claim the universe came from nothing.

There's more that is wrong, and how you self-defeat yourself with this meme, but let's deal with the above first.

The quality of the meme tells you all you need to know about that “believer”. Stupid AF.

+1. Yup.

I don't pretend to understand quantum field theory, but I dont throw my hands up in the air and give up and say god must be the answer.

[Anonymous]

If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Is that your "belief"? Because it's not based on reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

I believe that anyone who insists the flying spaghetti monster lives under my bed is less rational than me. They're making a claim they can't back up with reason or evidence. There's no reason to hold to the belief, and yet they do it anyway.

To me, irrational = illogical = stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

I believe that anyone who insists the flying spaghetti monster lives under my bed is less rational than me. They're making a claim they can't back up with reason or evidence. There's no reason to hold to the belief, and yet they do it anyway.

To me, irrational = illogical = stupid.

Sure, that's fine, you can make it that simple if you need to. I don't quite see it that way. People who aren't stupid can have stupid ideas and do stupid things. We all do sometimes.

FYI This is not a defense of theism in any way, it is an entirely irrational position with grossly insufficient evidence for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

I believe that anyone who insists the flying spaghetti monster lives under my bed is less rational than me. They're making a claim they can't back up with reason or evidence. There's no reason to hold to the belief, and yet they do it anyway.

To me, irrational = illogical = stupid.

There may be no good reason to hold to belief in God, except it becomes acceptable when so many people do it. And the promise of eternal life is great!

Some non-believers respect believers' right to hold religious views - even though they've rejected such views for themselves.

Such views are often not held in reverse. That is, believers often think it's acceptable to try to covert their friends to religion, when they've made it clear that they're not religious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

I believe that anyone who insists the flying spaghetti monster lives under my bed is less rational than me. They're making a claim they can't back up with reason or evidence. There's no reason to hold to the belief, and yet they do it anyway.

To me, irrational = illogical = stupid.

Sure, that's fine, you can make it that simple if you need to. I don't quite see it that way. People who aren't stupid can have stupid ideas and do stupid things. We all do sometimes.

FYI This is not a defense of theism in any way, it is an entirely irrational position with grossly insufficient evidence for it.

+1. Well put

[Anonymous]

Why is choosing to be a theist something that requires rebuttals? I mean, what's it to you?

That's what I just don't get in all these threads. Why are atheists so militant all the time? Do you live in some real life world where you find believers constantly threatening to burn you at the stake? That went out a while back. And anyway we used to burn each other too over things like having a cat or a third nipple.

I really think discussion threads could be more informative if it wasn't just a constant reply of "irrational, stupid. Insufficient evidence, etc."

I am new to DCUM and asked some genuine questions last year about atheism so I could have a better idea of life as an atheist, and what philosophical or logical thought patterns or techniques atheists used to calm themselves in stressful times, quell fears. Instead all I got was stuff like "not sky fairies."

So be it.

I mean, I chose to believe my cat loved me but that was irrational and evidence was at best inconclusive. But what skin was that off doglovers' noses? Or animal haters, for that matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If it is it ok to say believers are stupid is it ok to say atheists are stupid?

Well, no. In the couple of posts prior, there is evidence for the "stupidity" of believers.

The atheists have demonstrated the opposite, intelligence.

Some believers are quite intelligent, though it doesn't show through in their belief in God. Also, some atheists are not so smart, except regarding their lack of belief in God.

I am no smarter now that I am an atheist. I am simply better informed.

I don’t believe that theists are, in general, stupid. But many clearly have to retreat to illogical positions to support their theological ones.

I believe that anyone who insists the flying spaghetti monster lives under my bed is less rational than me. They're making a claim they can't back up with reason or evidence. There's no reason to hold to the belief, and yet they do it anyway.

To me, irrational = illogical = stupid.

There may be no good reason to hold to belief in God, except it becomes acceptable when so many people do it. And the promise of eternal life is great!

Some non-believers respect believers' right to hold religious views - even though they've rejected such views for themselves.

Such views are often not held in reverse. That is, believers often think it's acceptable to try to covert their friends to religion, when they've made it clear that they're not religious.

That's a reasonable bone to pick. But the "often" is weird to me but then I don't hold evangelical views. I would say "some" there too. This may lead to nonbelievers scolding me for being a bad believer, but I don't take the Bible literally either. Some believers don't lol.

I cannot imagine trying to convert anybody, especially when they have said they aren't religious. When they do that, I am vey careful to say I am thinking of then and hope they heal when they are injured or sick, never that I offer "thoughts and prayers."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is choosing to be a theist something that requires rebuttals? I mean, what's it to you?

That's what I just don't get in all these threads. Why are atheists so militant all the time? Do you live in some real life world where you find believers constantly threatening to burn you at the stake? That went out a while back. And anyway we used to burn each other too over things like having a cat or a third nipple.

I really think discussion threads could be more informative if it wasn't just a constant reply of "irrational, stupid. Insufficient evidence, etc."

I am new to DCUM and asked some genuine questions last year about atheism so I could have a better idea of life as an atheist, and what philosophical or logical thought patterns or techniques atheists used to calm themselves in stressful times, quell fears. Instead all I got was stuff like "not sky fairies."

So be it.

I mean, I chose to believe my cat loved me but that was irrational and evidence was at best inconclusive. But what skin was that off doglovers' noses? Or animal haters, for that matter?

Are you done whining? Would you like to join the discussion of ideas?