Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

+1million to residency checks before they even think about boundary changes based on concerns about overcrowding. It's ridiculous that the district would even consider moving neighborhoods away from their long settled pyramids before they figure out the impact of people cheating on residency requirements, which seems to be a well known open secret.

And sure one could speculate that such cheating doesn't make much difference to enrollment, but there's no way to know for sure unless you check. And it would go a long way towards restoring a little confidence in FCPS's ability to administer things. How can they be trusted to do a big thing like country-wide redistricting if they can't be trusted to do a small thing like make sure the residency rules are followed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting tonight where they will show updated boundary proposals. Should be released to the public tomorrow by 5pm if patterns follow.

If BRAC and SB are getting the maps today, when will the public see them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting tonight where they will show updated boundary proposals. Should be released to the public tomorrow by 5pm if patterns follow.

If BRAC and SB are getting the maps today, when will the public see them?

I thought new maps wouldn’t be released to the public until mid-October?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting tonight where they will show updated boundary proposals. Should be released to the public tomorrow by 5pm if patterns follow.

If BRAC and SB are getting the maps today, when will the public see them?

I thought new maps wouldn’t be released to the public until mid-October?

I bet they show the draft maps to the BRAC but don't actually release them when they publish the meeting notes from the BRAC meeting. In an effort to make it as hard as possible for people to figure out what's coming next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. I think they should do more careful residency checks when registering.
2. Do random checks a couple of times a year.
3. When reported, take it seriously.

However, I really doubt that is the cause of overcrowding. Doesn't make it right, though.

People may not always know the back story. Example: how do you know the child is using "auntie" as the residence?

I know because one of those kids lived in our neighborhood and moved 2 high schools away during middle school but graduated with my kid.

One of my kid's best friends did the same. I discovered it when I dropped my daughter off at their house for a party. When I asked my kid about it, they said that the family just moved into a big newer house, but kept their address the same so their kid could graduate from our (overcapacity) high school. The kid was open about it. This was 8th grade and the kid did graduate from our high school.

Another one is in my kid's friend group. They lives well into the zone for an undercapacity adjacent high school.

Another is friends with one of my very good friends. They know the family and know that they live in a house zoned for that same undercapacity school.

Shall I say more? I could list several more examples.

All of these people except possibly the last one moved sometime around middle school, but never changed their addresses and the school/FCPS doesn't check in 9th grade.

If they checked every student in 9th grade, false residency and over crowded high schools would be much less.

It may be possible that some of these did it legally. DS had a friend who pupil placed for a bogus reason. No one challenged it. (He did this for sports. The reason the mom told me was ridiculous.)

I don't question that it is abused, but some of these may have pupil placed. To go to school four years with a fake address seems implausible.

The school has been closed to transfers for over a decade, and is now getting rezoned for overcrowding.

There is no transfer into the school that these families could have legitimately received.

None of them are military, living on or off base, and none are teachers kids, which are the only two legitimate exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. I think they should do more careful residency checks when registering.
2. Do random checks a couple of times a year.
3. When reported, take it seriously.

However, I really doubt that is the cause of overcrowding. Doesn't make it right, though.

People may not always know the back story. Example: how do you know the child is using "auntie" as the residence?

I know because one of those kids lived in our neighborhood and moved 2 high schools away during middle school but graduated with my kid.

One of my kid's best friends did the same. I discovered it when I dropped my daughter off at their house for a party. When I asked my kid about it, they said that the family just moved into a big newer house, but kept their address the same so their kid could graduate from our (overcapacity) high school. The kid was open about it. This was 8th grade and the kid did graduate from our high school.

Another one is in my kid's friend group. They lives well into the zone for an undercapacity adjacent high school.

Another is friends with one of my very good friends. They know the family and know that they live in a house zoned for that same undercapacity school.

Shall I say more? I could list several more examples.

All of these people except possibly the last one moved sometime around middle school, but never changed their addresses and the school/FCPS doesn't check in 9th grade.

If they checked every student in 9th grade, false residency and over crowded high schools would be much less.

It may be possible that some of these did it legally. DS had a friend who pupil placed for a bogus reason. No one challenged it. (He did this for sports. The reason the mom told me was ridiculous.)

I don't question that it is abused, but some of these may have pupil placed. To go to school four years with a fake address seems implausible.

The school has been closed to transfers for over a decade, and is now getting rezoned for overcrowding.

There is no transfer into the school that these families could have legitimately received.

None of them are military, living on or off base, and none are teachers kids, which are the only two legitimate exceptions.

You must be talking about Chantilly.
There were 86 transfers in last year.

Now, some of them may have been for the special needs group. But, I doubt it is 86.

[Anonymous]

Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. I think they should do more careful residency checks when registering.
2. Do random checks a couple of times a year.
3. When reported, take it seriously.

However, I really doubt that is the cause of overcrowding. Doesn't make it right, though.

People may not always know the back story. Example: how do you know the child is using "auntie" as the residence?

I know because one of those kids lived in our neighborhood and moved 2 high schools away during middle school but graduated with my kid.

One of my kid's best friends did the same. I discovered it when I dropped my daughter off at their house for a party. When I asked my kid about it, they said that the family just moved into a big newer house, but kept their address the same so their kid could graduate from our (overcapacity) high school. The kid was open about it. This was 8th grade and the kid did graduate from our high school.

Another one is in my kid's friend group. They lives well into the zone for an undercapacity adjacent high school.

Another is friends with one of my very good friends. They know the family and know that they live in a house zoned for that same undercapacity school.

Shall I say more? I could list several more examples.

All of these people except possibly the last one moved sometime around middle school, but never changed their addresses and the school/FCPS doesn't check in 9th grade.

If they checked every student in 9th grade, false residency and over crowded high schools would be much less.

It may be possible that some of these did it legally. DS had a friend who pupil placed for a bogus reason. No one challenged it. (He did this for sports. The reason the mom told me was ridiculous.)

I don't question that it is abused, but some of these may have pupil placed. To go to school four years with a fake address seems implausible.

The school has been closed to transfers for over a decade, and is now getting rezoned for overcrowding.

There is no transfer into the school that these families could have legitimately received.

None of them are military, living on or off base, and none are teachers kids, which are the only two legitimate exceptions.

You must be talking about Chantilly.
There were 86 transfers in last year.

Now, some of them may have been for the special needs group. But, I doubt it is 86.

WSHS too.

All of the overcrowded high schools slated for rezoning have dozens of students transferring in, in spite of being closed to transfers for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

I have never understood why they have screamed for years about Chantilly, yet kept the Academy there. Seems like they could move at least some of it elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

I have never understood why they have screamed for years about Chantilly, yet kept the Academy there. Seems like they could move at least some of it elsewhere.

It should move to Centreville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

I have never understood why they have screamed for years about Chantilly, yet kept the Academy there. Seems like they could move at least some of it elsewhere.

It should move to Centreville.

Centreville does not have the space.

Westfield or Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

I have never understood why they have screamed for years about Chantilly, yet kept the Academy there. Seems like they could move at least some of it elsewhere.

It should move to Centreville.

Centreville does not have the space.

Westfield or Herndon.

It will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would we give schools like Chantilly special Academy programs and then pitch a fit if some kids living elsewhere try and take greater advantage of those programs by pupil placing into the schools?

So, yeah, residency check all you want to kick kids out of Chantilly, but then these academy programs should just be shut down.

I have never understood why they have screamed for years about Chantilly, yet kept the Academy there. Seems like they could move at least some of it elsewhere.

It should move to Centreville.

Centreville does not have the space.

Westfield or Herndon.

Or Lewis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BRAC meeting tonight where they will show updated boundary proposals. Should be released to the public tomorrow by 5pm if patterns follow.

If BRAC and SB are getting the maps today, when will the public see them?

I thought new maps wouldn’t be released to the public until mid-October?

I bet they show the draft maps to the BRAC but don't actually release them when they publish the meeting notes from the BRAC meeting. In an effort to make it as hard as possible for people to figure out what's coming next.

they have said they will release in early october. there is no way they release them before this first round of “community meetings” is done

[Anonymous]

Agree - they should but I don’t think they will