Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

Stopping the inward flow completely is more important and less complicated than rounding up those that are already here. Detain and deport any criminals but otherwise, prioritize securing the border.

So why didn't Democrats do that?

Every Democrat politician wanted open borders.

Democrats have been making it harder and harder to cross the border since 2000. Along with Republicans. It's been a bipartisan effort. But, by all means, lie about something you know nothing about.

Now tell us about the stretch of time from Jan. 2021 - June 2024 when illegal immigration was at historic, unprecedented highs because Biden reversed all of Trump's border EOs. He assured Americans "the border was secure" and there was "no border crisis. Until he realized it was an election year and he'd really better get on it and stop lying.
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+1 add to this that Biden started flying people directly into the country recently. As a result, the headlines since this summer have been that the numbers are down at the border. Well yes, if you fly them in 30,000 at a time per month per country the numbers will be down . And this is why Democrats cannot be trusted on immigration. They let the border be overrun by millions for 3.5 years and I fully expected Harris to grant them amnesty if she were elected.

He also has an app that 1,500 illegal immigrants can use daily to schedule an appointment at the ports of entry. The illegal immigrants are not screened for asylum. They are given parole and a work permit and released into the country. Trump said he will end the phone app and flights into the country, which are incentivizing illegal immigration, on day one of his administration.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

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Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

Ah yes it’s the liberals hiring all the illegals. Not the small business owners and farmers who voted for Trump. Nope, def. not!

It's certainly not ALL small business owners and farmers, as people like you love to claim. You simply can't deny how many liberals employ illegal immigrants to care for their children, clean their homes, landscape their yards, etc. No doubt, that's why you're so upset at the idea of deportation. Who will raise your kids and clean your toilets??

So you don’t want people making generalizations about employing illegals but you are making generalizations about liberals? And why are you equating rich with liberal? You think all those people living in McMansions are liberal? The truth is most restaurants do employ undocumented workers. As do many farmers. And construction companies. Keep telling yourself it’s just the libs who will be impacted. You are delulu.

My sister helped an illegal Colombian from Medellin last year. She managed to get him housing but really had a tough time getting him a job without a social security number. The brewery hired him for 3 days (legal) and paid him cash. Day 4 they told her they can't keep him on due to the law but they want him back once he has a social security number. The independently owned convenience store hired him on for 3 days (legal) and paid cash. Day 4 they called my sister and said they could not keep him on since he did not have a social security number but they want him back once he got his social.
She took around to around 20 independently owned restaurants. No one would hire as no social security number.
She finally found a restaurant that would take him on.

Our experience was that it was not easy to get an illegal a job. Most small business owners follow the law.

I suspect many that you assume are illegal workers are actually legal workers.

He now has his social security number. It takes 6 months in the US for an illegal to get a social security number. This allows an illegal to be legally employed in the US.

Can we assume thay he has been vetted? No criminal history?

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I did not vote for Trump but am fine with whatever he does at the border. Hopefully that distracts him too much to get us into a war with someone or go after more women’s rights. The border is the least of my concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump administration thinks they can use local jails/prisons to house these people. You know the jails/prisons that are already overcrowded and your local taxes pay for their care. I’d rather they be out working trying to make a living than me paying for them to do nothing.

No. This is exactly what incentivizes them to come illegally.

I don't support jailing people but it's seems logistically it's the only way to hold them until you get enough people to deport to the same country. For central American countries there are so many around who are eligible for deportation that they likely wouldn't have to be held for long.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why this is even a 17 page debate. These people need to go. Period. Send them back.

Yes. And change the laws so that anyone who was an anchor baby granted citizenship here by birth to parents who did not have a green card or citizenship is permanently ineligible from sponsoring family members as an adult. We must prevent chain migration for illegal immigrants.

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Or maybe just don’t have chain migration. No need to single out anchor babies who had absolutely no choice in the matter.

Chain migration is:

Black market remittances funding coyote escorts across many countries to America for an illegal border crossing;

Having anchor baby at age 18 file and sponsor citizenship applications for their illegal parents, aunts, cousins, others in American illegally or in the homeland;

Hosting or running a 10-20 person halfway house and offering your address to anyone from your homeland or city to go there from the Detention Center;

Overstaying your 90-day tourist visa and marrying an American on day 91 for a green card;

Claiming you simply cannot go back to your country because your anchor baby, who is several grade levels behind in school, simply won’t be able to handle the other country. At all

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

And more.

much more.

But pp’s neighbors have an RV!😤

Love those silver spring and Wheaton “group homes” with 25+ adults crammed in a rental house and 10 old trucks and Hondas parked ON the grassy front yard and on the street in front of 7+ homes.

Good times.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the MAGAs going to do when they do mass detention and deportation of illegals and it barely makes a dent in crime -

And in fact, crime goes up because costs go up because a lot of the goods and services we enjoyed that were dependent on their labor goes up...

Define crime. Because coming in illegally is a crime. Driving around without insurance is a crime. Working without a valid i9 and not paying state and federal income tax is a crime. Skipping out on hospital bill payments is a crime. Stealing identities and social security numbers so you can work is a crime. You are on,y looking at a fraction of crimes illegal immigrants commit if you think murders are all that matters.


I bought a brand new car and was hit in less than a week after getting it. The guy who got out to look basically spoke zero English and high tailed it out of there, probably because he had no insurance and was undocumented. Now I, as a law abiding citizen, get screwed because I had to pay to fix everything and my insurance went up because I was hit by an undocumented migrant who had no insurance and broke even more laws by hit and running.

You are an a**.

You simply assume that a brownish criminal is undocumented. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

lol. Everyone in Central America does hit and runs and runs off into the field. “No can prove me driving.”

Hang out in Georgia Ave long enough you’ll see these uninsured illegals who don’t know road rules smack another car and all 5 of them will literally get out and run away. Ditch you and the old krap vehicle they were driving.

Noticed this Montgomery County trend when I did grand jury duty for ten days.

Total lack of respect for or knowledge of basic laws.

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It will be a disaster because we will lose a huge number of our farm workers, meat processors, construction laborers and so on. Businesses will collapse and prices for many things will skyrocket. Americans don't want those jobs and won't take them, even if it's $26 an hour. This has already been proven.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

what’s your point? The non-English-speaking chinese people make good Nannie’s and house mangers? lol.

No.

They’re coming here because we have open borders on the Mexico/USA border. And everyone knows about it- Haitians, Africans, central Americas, SE Asians, chinese.

Any clown can fly in to Mexico or walk or boat there and just walk across in to usa.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

No. No one hires them. Not in DSc or MD or VA.

They just babysit the anchor babies and function to support the illegal economic migrants who manage to get an interim cash pay gig.

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Anonymous wrote:It will be a disaster because we will lose a huge number of our farm workers, meat processors, construction laborers and so on. Businesses will collapse and prices for many things will skyrocket. Americans don't want those jobs and won't take them, even if it's $26 an hour. This has already been proven.

BS that Americans won't do construction.

Meat processing and agriculture should be pushed towards automation anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

Ah yes it’s the liberals hiring all the illegals. Not the small business owners and farmers who voted for Trump. Nope, def. not!

Pelosi runs all the farms in CA with the illegals. She won’t sign a thing.

With the level of illiterate contractors and sub contractors and day laborers no one is trained or a repeat worker. Not the house cleaners, not the lawn guys, not the roofer, not the berry pickers, not the untrained “handymen.”

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Anonymous wrote:Denaturalization has happened before and can happen again....ask Japanese Americans and Americans during the 1930s. Over half of those deported were actually American citizens.

Should have dropped the anchor baby citizenship 150 years ago. Less confusion than when. Japan invades China and has 1000s of military on the mainland.

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

And the government isn't using taxpayer dollars to provide food and shelter for undocumented immigrants now. Stop being ridiculous.

Who is paying for their hotels? Food? Medical care?

Not US taxpayer dollars. Stop spreading lies. It does no one any good.

Emergency Medicaid
Illegal immigrants and their U.S. children are eligible for emergency Medicaid services.

School nutrition
All children, regardless of immigration status, are eligible for free or reduced school lunch.

WIC
The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) is available to all who qualify, regardless of immigration status.

Emergency shelter
Illegal immigrants may have short-term access to shelters and soup kitchens in emergency situations.

Public health
Illegal immigrants are not restricted from accessing public health programs that provide immunizations and treatment of communicable disease symptoms.

In-kind services
Illegal immigrants may have access to other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, such as medical, public health, and mental health services

The total cost of providing benefits to illegal immigrants is unknown because: Illegal aliens are not required to reveal their eligibility to receive certain benefits.

Officials are often prohibited from inquiring about the status of illegal alien

All Undocumented Immigrants Now Qualify For Medi-Cal In California. The new year rung in a host of new laws in California, including the expanded Medicaid coverage, nursing home disclosures, mental health measures, LGBTQ+ protections, and more.

Over half of the states have used state funds to provide TANF, Medicaid, and/or CHIP to immigrants who are subject to the five-year bar on federally funded services, or to a broader group of immigrants. A growing number of states and counties provide health coverage to children, young adults, or pregnant persons regardless of their immigration status. Several states offer or will offer health coverage to older adults regardless of their immigration status. And five states (California, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington) and the District of Columbia offer or will offer public or private health coverage with state subsidies to all otherwise eligible immigrants regardless of their immigration status.

Where federal matching funds are available, forty-four states have chosen to cover immigrant children and/or pregnant people, or to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status. In 2009, when Congress first reauthorized the CHIP program, states were granted an option to provide federally funded Medicaid and CHIP to “lawfully residing” children and/or pregnant persons regardless of their date of entry into the U.S. As of May 2024, thirty-eight states plus the District of Columbia have opted to take advantage of this federal funding for immigrant health care coverage, which became available on April 1, 2009.

Twenty-two states use or will use federal funds to provide prenatal care regardless of immigration status, under an option enabling states to provide prenatal services through CHIP. Under this option, the pregnant person’s fetus is technically the recipient of CHIP-funded services. This approach potentially limits the scope of services available to the pregnant person to those directly related to the fetus’s health. However, several states have used another CHIP option or state funds to provide 12 months of post-partum care, regardless of status.

The District of Columbia, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont use state or local funds to provide prenatal care regardless of the pregnant person’s immigration status.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Tax payers fund every program listed.

So this is bad, but spending hundred of millions to build detention facilities where US taxpayers will feed, clothes and houses millions of undocumented workers while there claims are adjudicated is good? Including those who are otherwise providing a societal benefit? And then there is the cost of hiring people to find them and transport them. There is the cost to re-renting their residences with no notice. The cost to re-hiring with no notice. All of this will be farmed out to contractors at an enormous cost, and they will have no incentive to do it quickly if it longer contracts mean more money in their pockets.

This post isn’t about whether undocumented workers should stay in the US. The post is about how to remove them if we are going that route.

Yes, it’s good. We are removing people who are not legally in the US. We are not responsible for them. We should know who is in our country for the safety of our country and our citizens. We are responsible for the safety of our citizens.

We should use our taxpayers dollars to remove illegal immigrants, secure the border, and protect and provide help for American citizens.

If dcum posters have to employ more expensive nannies, landscapers, housekeepers, and general contractors, so be it.

Again, the point of the post isn’t whether to remove them, it’s how. We are using our taxpayer dollars to do it either way.

So why is spending years to build facilities and likely hundreds of millions of dollars to round up and fully care for undocumented immigrants the better alternative? Especially when the cost will go to contractors that charge enormous overhead and have no incentive to expedite the process?

Stopping the inward flow completely is more important and less complicated than rounding up those that are already here. Detain and deport any criminals but otherwise, prioritize securing the border.

So why didn't Democrats do that?

Every Democrat politician wanted open borders.

Not true. Bipartisan bill was ready to go and Trump nixed it.

You mean the bill that said it was okay for 5,000 illegals to cross the border a day? That just gave money for processing, releasing and giving work permits to illegal immigrants? The bill was terrible and did nothing to secure the border. Democrats are for open borders. They want every economic migrant from the third world to pour into the country as “asylum seekers”. They see them all as future Democrat voters.

Agree. The “bill” some weirdo is harping about was a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what also will be expensive? The price of food and labor if illegal immigrants are deported. Good luck with getting cheap produce or paying your housekeeper and nanny on the cheap. And you better start saving if you want anything done on your house.

Hope.

Half of the illegals are not working many hours a week.

And sorry, no one anywhere is paying an illiterate, uneducated unskilled illegal in migrant to care for a baby, toddler or child or drive them around or housekeep their homes.
They don’t even know how to operate an oven properly. And forget the thermostats even in the car. Or any instructions. The lost in translations of having someone with limited English proficiency is NOT worth it. What do you think they’d get paid for that anyhow?

Incompetent is incompetent. They grew up in dirt floor shack not even knowing what road rules were, how insurance or preventative care works, how any developed country appliance works.

And you think families are going to turn over their vehicles, lawn gear, kitchens and children to them?!!?

lol

Wake up

Actually, they do.

Also, a good number of the illegal border crossers are Chinese. But, I guess those are the “good” immigrants and you don’t mind them.

DP. It is true that a LOT of liberal families employ nannies who hardly speak a word of English and can't drive. I can't imagine turning my children over to someone like that, regardless of what country they're from. The PP's description was spot on.

As for Chinese border crossers - they're illegal immigrants too. Not sure where you're getting the "good immigrants" description from. Illegal is illegal.

Ah yes it’s the liberals hiring all the illegals. Not the small business owners and farmers who voted for Trump. Nope, def. not!

It's certainly not ALL small business owners and farmers, as people like you love to claim. You simply can't deny how many liberals employ illegal immigrants to care for their children, clean their homes, landscape their yards, etc. No doubt, that's why you're so upset at the idea of deportation. Who will raise your kids and clean your toilets??

So you don’t want people making generalizations about employing illegals but you are making generalizations about liberals? And why are you equating rich with liberal? You think all those people living in McMansions are liberal? The truth is most restaurants do employ undocumented workers. As do many farmers. And construction companies. Keep telling yourself it’s just the libs who will be impacted. You are delulu.

My sister helped an illegal Colombian from Medellin last year. She managed to get him housing but really had a tough time getting him a job without a social security number. The brewery hired him for 3 days (legal) and paid him cash. Day 4 they told her they can't keep him on due to the law but they want him back once he has a social security number. The independently owned convenience store hired him on for 3 days (legal) and paid cash. Day 4 they called my sister and said they could not keep him on since he did not have a social security number but they want him back once he got his social.
She took around to around 20 independently owned restaurants. No one would hire as no social security number.
She finally found a restaurant that would take him on.

Our experience was that it was not easy to get an illegal a job. Most small business owners follow the law.

I suspect many that you assume are illegal workers are actually legal workers.

He now has his social security number. It takes 6 months in the US for an illegal to get a social security number. This allows an illegal to be legally employed in the US.

How cool! Spread the word!!

So glad we gift illegal immigrants an ID number so they can work here a bit on the books.

What other cool countries also do this?!?