Why did Arab majority Deerborn, Michigan go for Trump?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.

But you taught the Democrats a lesson. LOL!

We’ll see.

you do realise that it was basically completely peer pressured, huge consequences for anyone in america to ever say anything other than i am a zionist. I know, im a muslim who is a zionist in that i believe and support an Israeli state should exist free from harrasment and fear of attack from its neighbors. im also against the occupation of WB and Gaza, but i couldnt say the last part, it was a huge taboo to refer to Israel as an occupying power or anything other than a deserved respite for holocaust survivors and purveyor of hummus and falafel. I have been shocked at how quickly that taboo has lifted in the past year, it wont be any big change for the taboo to be enforced again. We have never had 1st amedment rights re:Israel. these kids have broken a huge taboo.

i had never heard of the nakba, i had read alan and naomi and number the stars in 4th grade though. I thought the arabs were mean for not giving some land to the European jews, it never occurred to me that these peopel have literaly been fighting each other for 3000 years since Abraham had a grandson named Jacob and his progeny decided that all of Canaan belonged to them and all the rest of abrahams kids needed to skedaddle. if you read the OT and early muslim history it becomes evident that the children of Jacob are hellbent on taking the whole inheritence and Esaus kids, Ismail's kids and Midians kids need to die. All of these people believe in this similar origin story of abraham teh Patriarch and his offspring and are from this area of the wordl and tehy have been fighting since before Moses even coined Hebrew as a term. All the peopel who belive in thsi myth were not jews, despite what Bill clinton remembers from sunday school 1958, the jews are only the children of one of Abraham's grandkids, he had a lot more grandkids and the rest of them are called Arabs now, they also used to be called samaritans but now they are called Arabs.

What are you responding to? The “we’ll see” was in response to “ It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.”. Do you really think the incoming president is going to make it illegal to criticize Israel??

[Anonymous]

Three minutes why Arabs in Michigan voted for Trump

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

Ha! I'm an immigrant and I know every liberal thinks like you despite the professed pro-immigration stance. You only approve of a particular kind of immigrant. You don't really see them as people, and you don't see them as "one of us" either. You and Trump aren't so different after all.

Lucky for you, you dont have to wonder any more. You get what you voted for, dont say we didnt warn you.

You really have no idea of immigrant life. You don't.

Do you have any idea how bad legal immigration services got under Biden? How much longer things took? How outright unhelpful USCIS became? Wherever did you get the idea that Biden was good for immigrants?

Well I guess we will all see now that MAGA has control.

I lived through the first Trump term and in retrospect, while he was personally repugnant to me, the policy-level fearmongering from the Democrats did not come true. My life as an immigrant was not inconvenienced at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

Ha! I'm an immigrant and I know every liberal thinks like you despite the professed pro-immigration stance. You only approve of a particular kind of immigrant. You don't really see them as people, and you don't see them as "one of us" either. You and Trump aren't so different after all.

Lucky for you, you dont have to wonder any more. You get what you voted for, dont say we didnt warn you.

You really have no idea of immigrant life. You don't.

Do you have any idea how bad legal immigration services got under Biden? How much longer things took? How outright unhelpful USCIS became? Wherever did you get the idea that Biden was good for immigrants?

Well I guess we will all see now that MAGA has control.

I lived through the first Trump term and in retrospect, while he was personally repugnant to me, the policy-level fearmongering from the Democrats did not come true. My life as an immigrant was not inconvenienced at all.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

Ha! I'm an immigrant and I know every liberal thinks like you despite the professed pro-immigration stance. You only approve of a particular kind of immigrant. You don't really see them as people, and you don't see them as "one of us" either. You and Trump aren't so different after all.

Lucky for you, you dont have to wonder any more. You get what you voted for, dont say we didnt warn you.

You really have no idea of immigrant life. You don't.

Do you have any idea how bad legal immigration services got under Biden? How much longer things took? How outright unhelpful USCIS became? Wherever did you get the idea that Biden was good for immigrants?

Well I guess we will all see now that MAGA has control.

I lived through the first Trump term and in retrospect, while he was personally repugnant to me, the policy-level fearmongering from the Democrats did not come true. My life as an immigrant was not inconvenienced at all.

Because the Dems fought it at every turn. That's not possible this time because of the sweep. The only constraint on Trump this time is the Republican Congress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

There is no such thing as a protest vote and that’s what most of this thread is saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

And her winning MI was not going to lead to her victory anyways if she couldn't win another swing state or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.

But you taught the Democrats a lesson. LOL!

We’ll see.

you do realise that it was basically completely peer pressured, huge consequences for anyone in america to ever say anything other than i am a zionist. I know, im a muslim who is a zionist in that i believe and support an Israeli state should exist free from harrasment and fear of attack from its neighbors. im also against the occupation of WB and Gaza, but i couldnt say the last part, it was a huge taboo to refer to Israel as an occupying power or anything other than a deserved respite for holocaust survivors and purveyor of hummus and falafel. I have been shocked at how quickly that taboo has lifted in the past year, it wont be any big change for the taboo to be enforced again. We have never had 1st amedment rights re:Israel. these kids have broken a huge taboo.

i had never heard of the nakba, i had read alan and naomi and number the stars in 4th grade though. I thought the arabs were mean for not giving some land to the European jews, it never occurred to me that these peopel have literaly been fighting each other for 3000 years since Abraham had a grandson named Jacob and his progeny decided that all of Canaan belonged to them and all the rest of abrahams kids needed to skedaddle. if you read the OT and early muslim history it becomes evident that the children of Jacob are hellbent on taking the whole inheritence and Esaus kids, Ismail's kids and Midians kids need to die. All of these people believe in this similar origin story of abraham teh Patriarch and his offspring and are from this area of the wordl and tehy have been fighting since before Moses even coined Hebrew as a term. All the peopel who belive in thsi myth were not jews, despite what Bill clinton remembers from sunday school 1958, the jews are only the children of one of Abraham's grandkids, he had a lot more grandkids and the rest of them are called Arabs now, they also used to be called samaritans but now they are called Arabs.

What are you responding to? The “we’ll see” was in response to “ It will soon be de facto illegal to publicly criticize Israel without being threatened with deportation for anyone who lacks solid birthright citizenship going back several generations.”. Do you really think the incoming president is going to make it illegal to criticize Israel??

It's literally been proposed and is legislation in many states. The ADL has even changed their definition of anti-Semitism to include criticism of Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

+1

I guess we did. No Muslim ban protests this time, guess we were not good allies. But wishing the best of luck to the campus guys on taking their protests to the new admin.

You’re such a piece of sh!t, honestly.

DP. Without hurling insults can you say why one group needs to care about another group’s liberties, but not the reverse? If everyone cared about civil liberties, it seems like we’d be in the same side.

Only when it suites them apparently...

Suits not suites. Just shut TFU.

You guys are just so gross to me, and I know your type so well. You’re women who are well-ish or very well off in a good schools enclave, with good educations (poorly utilized by you both) and kids and the typical UMC anxieties. I live in that world too and can relate; I have a DD too and despair about the result. I supported KH too.

But I can’t explain to those resistant to understanding - not just resistant but hostile in a particularly juvenile manner - that the poster upthread, not me, is explaining to democratic voters that “uncommitted” people with MENA heritage did not feel, by 2024, that the choice was “frying pan” versus “fire.” They only see “fire.” There is work to do, and to be posting publicly 72 hours after the fact that you want them to suffer is crazy. It won’t help. Are you gonna post the same old brat sh!r in 2026? 2028? What will it gain us?

Funny, you really dont know anything about me. But Im so glad that you can sit on your UMC throne and think you do. Im done supporting people though who throw us under the bus. I dont want anyone to suffer ever, but clearly they dont care if women do. So yeah, save your fake outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

You don’t get it. You may never get to vote again. You were manipulated by Russia and China to vote third party to destroy America. Trump is not a normal candidate. He has proudly said he’ll be a dictator.

THIS is the kind of thing that makes my liberal self start being anti-immigration. Don’t flee your dangerous, unstable countries with few rights to come here and vote to take away our rights and make us less safe and stable.

You live in make believe land, comrade.

DP. You don’t think this will inevitably loop in legal immigrants? That means they wouldn’t be able to vote again in the US. I can’t see how that won’t happen in massive round ups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's the outcome that is most perplexing to me. The explanation being given by the talking heads is that they were unhappy with the Biden administrations support of Israel. But they obviously realize that a Trump administration would be just as supportive of Israel. I would assume that they would go with the candidate who belongs to a party that has a significant faction of people opposed to supporting Israel, which is non-existent in the Republican party. Can anyone help me make sense of this?

Protest vote. She could have met with them in a small group if she didn't want to be cornered. But they were not going to hear anything from her that they have not already heard: "stand with Israel but stop humanitarian crisis in region....blah blah blah"

And her winning MI was not going to lead to her victory anyways if she couldn't win another swing state or two.

People keep ignoring facts and it’s crazy making.

The campaign was extraordinarily well-funded and KH did as best as she could but the lack of turnout across the states, and across multiple constituencies, is reality. One of the few aggressive own goals that KH and her top people SHOULD regret is bringing the virulently anti-Palestinian Richie Torres to campaign for the Jewish vote in Michigan. That was it for some people, I’d bet anything. Softening that by having him appear with Doug Emhoff after the tabloid story about the wannabe first gent’s repugnant personal life did not help. It is what it is. You can shriek that no one voted for Emhoff - no sh!t!! It was still a bad call. That did not have to happen. We should be able to admit it! If you have limitless money you need to run a strategically flawless campaign my dudes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

+1

I guess we did. No Muslim ban protests this time, guess we were not good allies. But wishing the best of luck to the campus guys on taking their protests to the new admin.

You’re such a piece of sh!t, honestly.

DP. Without hurling insults can you say why one group needs to care about another group’s liberties, but not the reverse? If everyone cared about civil liberties, it seems like we’d be in the same side.

Only when it suites them apparently...

Suits not suites. Just shut TFU.

You guys are just so gross to me, and I know your type so well. You’re women who are well-ish or very well off in a good schools enclave, with good educations (poorly utilized by you both) and kids and the typical UMC anxieties. I live in that world too and can relate; I have a DD too and despair about the result. I supported KH too.

But I can’t explain to those resistant to understanding - not just resistant but hostile in a particularly juvenile manner - that the poster upthread, not me, is explaining to democratic voters that “uncommitted” people with MENA heritage did not feel, by 2024, that the choice was “frying pan” versus “fire.” They only see “fire.” There is work to do, and to be posting publicly 72 hours after the fact that you want them to suffer is crazy. It won’t help. Are you gonna post the same old brat sh!r in 2026? 2028? What will it gain us?

Funny, you really dont know anything about me. But Im so glad that you can sit on your UMC throne and think you do. Im done supporting people though who throw us under the bus. I dont want anyone to suffer ever, but clearly they dont care if women do. So yeah, save your fake outrage.

Yup. I knew it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Three minutes why Arabs in Michigan voted for Trump

The problem is people think that somehow people think that America is the land of the promised and it’s a given that we have clean drinking water and health care. People don’t see how democracy dies one cut at a time. If you’ve lived in an authoritarian country like I did as an expat, you’d know how quickly things can devolve in 4 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very short sighted to think that spending billions of dollars on a war to kill people will have no effect at home.

The democratic party learned a hard lesson.

+1

I guess we did. No Muslim ban protests this time, guess we were not good allies. But wishing the best of luck to the campus guys on taking their protests to the new admin.

You’re such a piece of sh!t, honestly.

Nope. Muslims did not care about the rest of us with this vote, this much is clear. So please do tell, why are we supposed to care about this now. And yes, the pro Palestine protests need to find their new target now. If they dare, under the new regime. But something tells me they will be quiet.