Abortion messaging needs to change

[Anonymous]

Even my friends in Southern states that have enacted these bans already have had access to these tests for years.

If you want to get your fallopian tubes in a knot over the Supreme Court weighing in on misoprostol, I might agree with you, but not on the 15 weeks issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Is this poster stupid or a liar?
What do we think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even my friends in Southern states that have enacted these bans already have had access to these tests for years.

If you want to get your fallopian tubes in a knot over the Supreme Court weighing in on misoprostol, I might agree with you, but not on the 15 weeks issue.

Well I guess you and your friends are in the 25% minority of Americans. Congratulations.
If you keep at it, I’m sure you’ll be under 20% by the fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you have misunderstood Trump's position on abortion and the general conservative position. Very, very few conservatives believe that it's murder in all cases. And most are willing to compromise and make a 12 or 16 week total amnesty period to have abortions.

The leftists here are being clear with you. They will not compromise at all. They want abortion to be completely unregulated and consider any limitations for any reason at all to be a violation of women's rights. Women can and should be allowed to choose to abort for any reason at all, up til the point of birth, in their view. Take it or leave it. I used to be a democrat and eventually, I couldn't any more. On this and many other issues, I have moral lines that I'm not willing to cross.

Citation needed that “most” conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”, because you seem to have made that up.

Here you go. Look at the Republican response graph. Only 20ish % respond that abortion should be illegal in all cases.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/246278/abortion-trends-party.aspx

Democrats attack Trump over alleged 16 week national law Trump is reportedly seeking-- meaning Democrats believe that 16 weeks is the compromise point being mulled by Republicans: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/16/democrats-trump-abortion-report/

Those are Republican voters responding to a poll. Again, which conservative politicians are willing to offer 16 week “amnesty”?

Google this yourself. The right has been attempting to rally support for a 16 week ban since Roe fell, but it's dead in the water bc the left is unwilling to make any concessions that would limit abortion.

There are no 16-week bans in any of the state where any Republican politician doesn’t need the support of any Democrats, so it doesn’t seem like a compromise that Republican politicians are naturally in favor of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

This is a lie.

Women in Europe can still get abortions after 15 weeks for health issues of mom or fetus.

And 15 weeks is enough time for the rest in Europe because of their socialized healthcare.

And the laws are not strictly enforced - it's easy to still access care via the exceptions and because care is provided and widely available. That is not and will not be the case here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republican woman pissed off at Republicans for lying to her about abortion. Reap the whirlwind conservative men…

She sounds like a smart woman but how has it taken until this year for her to realize that the Republican Party hates women? I mean if we want to talk “messaging,” that’s the message I’ve gotten from them my whole life.

Very few people were paying enough attention and thought that these courts would dump Roe. I was one of them and was ridiculed on this board for it for years. I’ve never been angrier about being right about something all along.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Such a simpleton.

My friend has an abortion at 24 weeks because they spent weeks trying to get more tests and finding someone who could help them. But the situation was tragic and the fetus hopelessly deformed, missing much of its brain.

Then your friend is an idiot. Or lied to you. Or isn’t real. Every free clinic in America has access to these tests. They are affordable and ubiquitous.

DP here. You are sadly incorrect. High quality NT testing with an MFM (and then the second opinions that many desperate parents seek) typically need to be booked 2-4 weeks ahead. My sister found out about a condition not compatible with life at 16 weeks, but terminated at 21 weeks because she sought a second opinion before terminated a much-wanted pregnancy. Is your view that a woman should terminate a viable baby rather than waiting for a confirmation of fetal abnormality? That doesn’t seem consistent with a pro-life worldview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Widely available? There are places where hospitals are closing the OB departments rather than take the legal risks
— how are you defining “widely available” testing that requires a specialist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Is this poster stupid or a liar?
What do we think?

Two things can be true at once.

At a minimum we can conclude they’re someone who has been lucky enough to never be confronted with a tragic diagnosis in a wanted pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

What are you talking about? A good number of catastrophic conditions are discovered at the 20 week anatomy scan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Widely available? There are places where hospitals are closing the OB departments rather than take the legal risks
— how are you defining “widely available” testing that requires a specialist?

Exactly.

And "15 week" pp, did you also know that there are groups that are campaigning to ban prenatal scans of all types so that women will be in the dark about these conditions? Alarming.

https://jessica.substack.com/p/calculated-cruelty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

This family, for one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2023/florida-abortion-law-deborah-dorbert/

Read about their experience watching their wanted child suffocate in their arms for 99 minutes. Pay special attention to the Republican grandfather watching his grandson die and how he has since been

“haunted by the sound of Milo gasping for air and the sight of his body struggling to ward off a death that had been inevitable for three long months.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Is this poster stupid or a liar?
What do we think?

A liar.

Someone upthread was talking about all the very many elective third trimester abortions she claimed were happening all the time (spoiler alert: they were not). A few of the women in the study found out at the 20 week ultrasound that their fetus had problems, but the extent was not revealed until a scan at 28 weeks, at which point Miss “All ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses” up there would have shamed the woman for having had an abortion.

Maybe the forced birthers need to change their messaging. Anyone vile enough to refer to diagnoses as “catastrophic” as if that’s a joke and a loop hole for sluts to have abortions at 40 works need to… well what goes around comes around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

My cousin. That’s who.

And look how you conveniently overlooked “for herself.” I know someone who was diagnosed with aggressive cancer at 18 weeks. She already had 2 kids. You bet she terminated so that she could start on chemo right away.

You sound heartless and cruel and frankly elitist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A 16-week abortion ban is a very smart compromise that will get support from both sides. Currently, only 15 of 193 U.N. Member Countries allow elective abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy, so the U.S. is a major outlier where many states still allow elective abortion until birth.

So you believe woman who discovers a catastrophic condition at 17 weeks for either herself or her fetus should be forced to carry it to 40 weeks? Is that what you are saying? Because that’s what I hear you say.

Who is discovering a ‘catastrophic’ condition at 17 weeks?

If you’ve had a baby in the last twenty years, you’d have known that all ‘catastrophic’ diagnoses are discoverable in the first 15 weeks now with current, widely available prenatal care.

Such a simpleton.

My friend has an abortion at 24 weeks because they spent weeks trying to get more tests and finding someone who could help them. But the situation was tragic and the fetus hopelessly deformed, missing much of its brain.

Then your friend is an idiot. Or lied to you. Or isn’t real. Every free clinic in America has access to these tests. They are affordable and ubiquitous.

Oh you means those clinics you republicans are constantly trying to defund? Now you advise women to use them? When is the last time you called to do a late second trimester scan?