Louisiana orders every classroom to display Ten Commandments

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Anonymous wrote:Should have the pledge of allegiance right next to it.

And the American flag. Maybe several flags.

The kids need to know that being American means being Christian.

^ in case anyone was still confused about whether the MAGAs want to impose their religion on you.

No, that was posted by an anti-theist.

The anti-theists don’t like the American flag. They don’t like the pledge of allegiance. The anti-theist who posted this says she’s a teacher in a red state who stays seated during the pledge with her mouth shut.

Oh go scratch something. I love the flag. More than you do, because I love what it stands for and not the object. It sets a sky-high constitutional ideal that it is our job to try and live up to. And it has nothing to do with government mandated bronze-age myth worship as expressly forbidden by our constitution (yeah I love that too).

-DP

The constitution doesn’t forbid any religion. It doesn’t allow the government to establish a state religion.

No religion or religious practice is forbidden in the United States.

You've got to be kidding me.

Government mandating a poster of a religion-specific bronze-age myth is exactly establishing a state religion. This isn't just my opinion, this has been determined by the courts many times, in addition to it being logical to anyone with 2 brain cells and an honest disposition.

I am sure LA will have their law struck down. I am just not a hater like you are. I think everyone should be represented in schools, including Christians. Everyone is important and welcome.

Such clownery from you. Hanging the religious tenets of one religion (I don’t think any Jewish sect fetishizes the Ten Commandments like evangelicals do…) does not represent everyone, it establishes a state religion.

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Anonymous wrote:How about a deal. Keep the 10 Commandments and bibles and all religious items and books firmly away from schools and in exchange we keep the rainbow flag firmly off all school property. Deal?

The rainbow flag is everywhere on school property. But the 10 commandments, that’s forbidden. No deal, because you won’t ever remove rainbow flags from school property.

What the heck is wrong with a rainbow flag? It's just a thing on a wall.

Where did someone say anything was wrong with the rainbow flag? You want me to attack the rainbow flag and cry about it being in schools. I don’t care. Rainbow flags are in schools. But the same people who are ok with rainbow flags being in schools are not ok with the 10 commandments. Because they are hypocrites.

What does the Christian religion represented by the 10 commandments say about the parents of the children in the classroom who are from families with gay parents?

Honor thy mother and father.

Like I said. Pay your tax bill and send you kid to my classroom. So what if our walls say honor your mother and your mother.

And we also have a sign up that claims it is a sinful to have a mother and a father instead of a mother and a mother. So what. It's just a thing in a wall.

"I'll take 'Things That Didn't Happen' for $600, Alex!"

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Anonymous wrote:Should have the pledge of allegiance right next to it.

And the American flag. Maybe several flags.

The kids need to know that being American means being Christian.

^ in case anyone was still confused about whether the MAGAs want to impose their religion on you.

No, that was posted by an anti-theist.

The anti-theists don’t like the American flag. They don’t like the pledge of allegiance. The anti-theist who posted this says she’s a teacher in a red state who stays seated during the pledge with her mouth shut.

Oh go scratch something. I love the flag. More than you do, because I love what it stands for and not the object. It sets a sky-high constitutional ideal that it is our job to try and live up to. And it has nothing to do with government mandated bronze-age myth worship as expressly forbidden by our constitution (yeah I love that too).

-DP

The constitution doesn’t forbid any religion. It doesn’t allow the government to establish a state religion.

No religion or religious practice is forbidden in the United States.

The state government of Louisiana choosing and writing their own version of the Ten Commandments to slap on every wall of every public school is absolutely establishing a state religion.

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But a poster of the 10 commandments is a clear violation and attempted establishment of a christian fascist government? Sure.

Sure. Because the Supreme Court has already said that it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/449/39

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But a poster of the 10 commandments is a clear violation and attempted establishment of a christian fascist government? Sure.

Sure. Because the Supreme Court has already said that it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/449/39

And the current court will doubtlessly follow principles of stare decisis /s/

[Anonymous]

Everyone already knows (and ignores) the Ten Commandments. Education is about learning new things. As a teacher of white bread affluent kids, I have a duty to complement what they are learning at home, not just reinforce it. The parents will teach the kids not to murder or steal. But the parents of my students will NOT teach them to be tolerant and understanding of gay or gender non-conforming kids or kids. The parents themselves are not tolerant! This is where public education plays a role. We want a tolerant society where differences are respected and honored. Especially by the rich white kids from homophobic and transphobic family backgrounds. During Pride Month, schools have plenty of important things to display on the walls without putting up the judgy theocratic Ten Commandments!

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone already knows (and ignores) the Ten Commandments. Education is about learning new things. As a teacher of white bread affluent kids, I have a duty to complement what they are learning at home, not just reinforce it. The parents will teach the kids not to murder or steal. But the parents of my students will NOT teach them to be tolerant and understanding of gay or gender non-conforming kids or kids. The parents themselves are not tolerant! This is where public education plays a role. We want a tolerant society where differences are respected and honored. Especially by the rich white kids from homophobic and transphobic family backgrounds. During Pride Month, schools have plenty of important things to display on the walls without putting up the judgy theocratic Ten Commandments!

I'm glad you're not my kids' teachers. Your perspective isn't by default the right or good one, there's a lot of cruelty and unkindness hidden in "being kind" especially to kids with sex/gender issues because you're allowing them to persist in believing what is not scientifically true and to act out what is little more than a fake life. There's been a massive decline in mental wellbeing among youths these days, and especially among self-reported queer kids, and it's most likely due to the enabling "kind" people like you failing to provide a firm foundation of what is right and wrong, true and not true.

And there's unquestionably truth to that you are forcing on a weird and distorted form of invented morality that is corrupted and weak in its foundations because it really makes no sense, and is contradictory.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone already knows (and ignores) the Ten Commandments. Education is about learning new things. As a teacher of white bread affluent kids, I have a duty to complement what they are learning at home, not just reinforce it. The parents will teach the kids not to murder or steal. But the parents of my students will NOT teach them to be tolerant and understanding of gay or gender non-conforming kids or kids. The parents themselves are not tolerant! This is where public education plays a role. We want a tolerant society where differences are respected and honored. Especially by the rich white kids from homophobic and transphobic family backgrounds. During Pride Month, schools have plenty of important things to display on the walls without putting up the judgy theocratic Ten Commandments!

I'm glad you're not my kids' teachers. Your perspective isn't by default the right or good one, there's a lot of cruelty and unkindness hidden in "being kind" especially to kids with sex/gender issues because you're allowing them to persist in believing what is not scientifically true and to act out what is little more than a fake life. There's been a massive decline in mental wellbeing among youths these days, and especially among self-reported queer kids, and it's most likely due to the enabling "kind" people like you failing to provide a firm foundation of what is right and wrong, true and not true.

And there's unquestionably truth to that you are forcing on a weird and distorted form of invented morality that is corrupted and weak in its foundations because it really makes no sense, and is contradictory.

I pay the same tax bill as you. You are not going to teach my kid that her parents are living in sin. Not in her public school. You take that to a private school if that is what you are going to teach.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone already knows (and ignores) the Ten Commandments. Education is about learning new things. As a teacher of white bread affluent kids, I have a duty to complement what they are learning at home, not just reinforce it. The parents will teach the kids not to murder or steal. But the parents of my students will NOT teach them to be tolerant and understanding of gay or gender non-conforming kids or kids. The parents themselves are not tolerant! This is where public education plays a role. We want a tolerant society where differences are respected and honored. Especially by the rich white kids from homophobic and transphobic family backgrounds. During Pride Month, schools have plenty of important things to display on the walls without putting up the judgy theocratic Ten Commandments!

I'm glad you're not my kids' teachers. Your perspective isn't by default the right or good one, there's a lot of cruelty and unkindness hidden in "being kind" especially to kids with sex/gender issues because you're allowing them to persist in believing what is not scientifically true and to act out what is little more than a fake life. There's been a massive decline in mental wellbeing among youths these days, and especially among self-reported queer kids, and it's most likely due to the enabling "kind" people like you failing to provide a firm foundation of what is right and wrong, true and not true.

And there's unquestionably truth to that you are forcing on a weird and distorted form of invented morality that is corrupted and weak in its foundations because it really makes no sense, and is contradictory.

Funny how you took the topic of discussion - the law requiring bronze aged myth being exhibited in classrooms - into your own BS.

Dishonest. Stick to the topic.

[Anonymous]

There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

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Well, LA needs to pray those hurricanes and the rising water away. Good luck.

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The vast majority of the Old Testament was written during the Iron Age (1200 BC – 500 BC) and the entire New Testament was written in the 1st Century AD and entirely postdates both the periods referred to as the Bronze Age and the Iron Age.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Of course, but there is still an office that is non-sectarian and non-demoninational that is there for minority requests. They acknowledge the majority while offering a path for minorities.
Unlike the 10 commandments on the wall, there is no way for minority religions to have their own moral messages posted for the respect of minorities. There is no path for requesting similar services for minorities in Louisiana's proposed law. It completely ignores one of the founding tenets of creating our new nation, for religious minorities to escape from the oppressiveness of the religious majority and the lack of respect for minority religions. They fled so that as a minority, they could still practice their religion and have their religion represented. Louisiana is saying if you aren't part of the religious majority, we don't care about you.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a large difference between having a Congressional chaplain that leads optional services for the chambers of Congress vs the state of Louisiana dictating that one religion's scripture or religious directives be posted in all public classrooms.

The Congressional chaplain is not only responsible for leading Christian prayers, but also for tending to the ministerial needs of all Congressmen. The office of the Chaplain is non-denominational and nonsectarian. While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian, there have been many guest chaplains of many different religions and denominations that have come and held services within their religions for those who want. The office of the chaplain is responsible for handling requests from any sitting Senator or Representative regardless of Faith. So Jewish members can request rabbinical support for Jewish holidays, Muslims can make requests for Eid and so on. And if a non-Christian would like a non-Christian prayer or to invite a non-Christian chaplain to host a prayer or similar invocation for a particular holiday or event, then they do so that Chaplain's office and the Chaplain and staff will work to honor the request. This is entirely in the spirit of the respect for different religions. The majority is Christian and so standard services are Christian. However, the minority is respected and their requests are respected, especially when events of Faith pertinent to them come up.

However, Louisiana is doing the opposite. They want to put up religious directives for one religion only on the walls of every school. This is the government establishing a religion, which is against a violation of 1A. If there were a means whereby members of minorities could request that similar signs for their religions be posted in all classrooms for holidays and special events, then it would be acceptable. But there is no way that they are putting up special notes for Passover or Eid on all walls for students of those religions.

Congress said that they have an office to address all religious requests from anyone, including minorities. Louisiana is saying you need to be part of the majority and that we only teach to the majority. Those in the minority need to follow the majority or be ignored. Completely different messaging. The former is Constitutional and the latter is not.

“While all appointed chaplains to date have been Christian”

Because the majority of elected government officials are Christian.

Of course, but there is still an office that is non-sectarian and non-demoninational that is there for minority requests. They acknowledge the majority while offering a path for minorities.
Unlike the 10 commandments on the wall, there is no way for minority religions to have their own moral messages posted for the respect of minorities. There is no path for requesting similar services for minorities in Louisiana's proposed law. It completely ignores one of the founding tenets of creating our new nation, for religious minorities to escape from the oppressiveness of the religious majority and the lack of respect for minority religions. They fled so that as a minority, they could still practice their religion and have their religion represented. Louisiana is saying if you aren't part of the religious majority, we don't care about you.

Louisiana's actions are about as un-American as you can get.

Nope. The government prays and has prayer breakfasts and chaplains and they are majority Christian and we pay for it. Other religious people come to our country because they know we don’t have a state mandated religion and total religious freedom, but that doesn’t mean we have to stop practicing our Christianity. Christians being Christian don’t oppress other religions people. It’s ironic that other religions come here to freely practice their religion, but if we practice Christianity, we are “oppressing” other religions.