Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Who didn't ask for them either. All they want is an end to the voucher madness.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

22% is a rounding error? Spend some time telling me about the manifest deficiencies in your math education.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

Not only that, but it was commuting in the 11 county metro area. Hilariously it showed that drivers are a minority of commuters among DC residents, and walk/bike commutes were 16%.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

Not only that, but it was commuting in the 11 county metro area. Hilariously it showed that drivers are a minority of commuters among DC residents, and walk/bike commutes were 16%.

Remove the walk from the bike and then let’s talk.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

Not only that, but it was commuting in the 11 county metro area. Hilariously it showed that drivers are a minority of commuters among DC residents, and walk/bike commutes were 16%.

Remove the walk from the bike and then let’s talk.

Look, we can pretend no one rides their bike anywhere, but it's just not true. This is an anecdote, but the garage at the office for my 1,500-employee company downtown just spent a decent amount of money doubling the size of the bike cage because there wasn't enough space for bike commuters (except on days with light office occupancy, like Fridays). They wouldn't have done that if there was no demand.

I'm not saying that means 16 percent of D.C. residents commute by bike, but it's not 0 percent, either.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

Not only that, but it was commuting in the 11 county metro area. Hilariously it showed that drivers are a minority of commuters among DC residents, and walk/bike commutes were 16%.

Remove the walk from the bike and then let’s talk.

You're going to have to take it up with the MWCOG for publishing the data combined. But anyway you slice it, for DC residents Transit+Walk+Bike > Drive as commutes. And non-commuting drives are probably an even smaller share of trips.

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Is the person behind the fake Mr. Chen's account (that posts incessantly about bike lanes being awful, among other opinions) a poster on here?

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

It's unclear what Mr. Frumin really ran on, aside from platitudes about making Ward 3 "more welcoming", presumably to voucher holders. Oh, and pickle ball. There's that.

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Yeah, I'm at least as pro-bike lane as the next person who bikes downtown a lot, but it's silly to pretend the elections (at any level, ANC through ward Council member) were referenda on bike lanes. No one specifically campaigned against them in any race I can remember, so the fact that the people who won supported them doesn't exactly prove that everyone who voted for them also wanted the project.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I'm at least as pro-bike lane as the next person who bikes downtown a lot, but it's silly to pretend the elections (at any level, ANC through ward Council member) were referenda on bike lanes. No one specifically campaigned against them in any race I can remember, so the fact that the people who won supported them doesn't exactly prove that everyone who voted for them also wanted the project.

Not true.

David Krucoff campaigned against them and in the Connecticut Avenue precincts, he did worse against Frumin than he did elsewhere across the Ward.
There were several ANC races in Ward 3 where the bike lanes were THE defining issue, and in each case, the pro-bile lane candidate won.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, the one thing that makes Connecticut Ave such a bad idea for bikes lanes is that it is the gateway for millions of tourists each year. Most of whom are not familiar with DC roads nor used to driving in any city. So to mix those tens of thousands of tourist cars each year with a project that will induce thousands of new cyclists each day seems like a total death wish. For that reason Connecticut Ave is fairly unique as compared to other roads where this has been attempted. It’s just a really bad idea.

Think of how much better it would be if the tourists were not driving cars but on other modes of transportation? You are making the argument FOR bike lanes, thank you.

The people who drive to the zoo are most definitely not interested in participating in transit lifestyle you covet.

That's silly. Transit isn't a lifestyle, it's transportation. Would you say you participate in car lifestyle?

Yes.

You participate in a car lifestyle?! I'm so sorry.

Appreciate your concern, but I enjoy my car lifestyle!!

I used to enjoy my smoking inside at restaurants lifestyle, but the government doesn't have an obligation to legislate around things that are bad for people

Not having a tax base is bad for people.

Governments once made a lot of revenue from tobacco taxes. Thankfully that didn’t dissuade legislators from putting in place the measures that have enabled people to live healthier lifestyles.

Those measures were to both increase tobacco taxes and to require tobacco companies to effectively pay an annual dividend to states like they were shareholders.

It all comes together though because you’re spending your life arguing about some fantasy. DDOT listening to these very same arguments for a decade about Connecticut Ave and said no. I’m not sure why you are wasting your time arguing to death about something that is not going to happen in the foreseeable future but it’s both kind of sad and kind of funny.

DDOT didn't say no.

The Mayor said no, because she listened to a lot of BS and lies from a bunch of entitled old white people who cannot envision a life without cars.

The majority of the people want the bike lanes, and the science and economics back them up.

You’re disconnected from objective reality.

The DDOT director testified before the Council and stated the position of the agency. She explained and explicitly said that this was never supposed to be a bike lane project. DDOT works for the mayor. So the decisions of DDOT reflect the decision of the mayor. As for the opinion of the “majority” of the people, they overwhelmingly voted for the mayor.

What are you doing arguing to death for days on end about something that’s over? Do you not understand how crazy that is?

You mean the interim Director who has no experience or knowledge of transportation engineering or transportation planning, who clearly had no knowledge of MoveDC or any of the other plans and stakeholder engagement that has taken place across this and other projects across the city? Ya, we don't need another ignorant mayoral lackey in this position. She had no idea what she was talking about and was completely out of her elements.

In terms of the "majority" of the people, yes, the Mayor ran on a platform of VisionZero and SutainableDC2.0, which both call for sustainable transportation practices including bike lanes. She also ran on the MoveDC plan, which her DDOT spent millions to commission and produce.

Meanwhile, the opponent petition gathered around 3600 supporters over 2 years while the proponent petition has gathered over 4500 signatures in just a few weeks. The Councilmember ran on the bike lanes and won, and not only did he win, but in the precincts where bike lanes on Connecitcut Avenue were the primary issue - in contested ANC races as well - he outpollled the republican opponent as compared to other precincts across the ward by several points. You can look it up.

More people want the bike lanes, they promote safety in transportation, better health outcomes, more pedestrian safety and are a boon to local businesses.

The science and academic studies back it up.

Perhaps you havent noticed but no one asked for all these bike lanes and almost nobody uses them. Transportation surveys consistently show bicycling is among the least, if not *the least,* popular way of getting around.

"No one" in your mind is the single family homeowners. You seem to be forgetting the thousands of apartment and condo dwellers who you seem to never talk to.

Look at the data. The number of people riding bikes in DC is a rounding error. It’s pretty remarkable how few people ride given how much money the city has spent on bike infrastructure. It’s a small niche and nothing more.

You keep citing this. That was "commuting."

There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of bike trips that are not commuting. Get it? these are your neighbors who would love to be able to run their errands safely without using their cars, but don't feel safe doing so.

Not only that, but it was commuting in the 11 county metro area. Hilariously it showed that drivers are a minority of commuters among DC residents, and walk/bike commutes were 16%.

Remove the walk from the bike and then let’s talk.

You're going to have to take it up with the MWCOG for publishing the data combined. But anyway you slice it, for DC residents Transit+Walk+Bike > Drive as commutes. And non-commuting drives are probably an even smaller share of trips.

Do you don’t have the data. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I'm at least as pro-bike lane as the next person who bikes downtown a lot, but it's silly to pretend the elections (at any level, ANC through ward Council member) were referenda on bike lanes. No one specifically campaigned against them in any race I can remember, so the fact that the people who won supported them doesn't exactly prove that everyone who voted for them also wanted the project.

Not true.

David Krucoff campaigned against them and in the Connecticut Avenue precincts, he did worse against Frumin than he did elsewhere across the Ward.
There were several ANC races in Ward 3 where the bike lanes were THE defining issue, and in each case, the pro-bile lane candidate won.

Krucoff had an "R" next to his name, which means he had no chance of winning no matter his stance on anything.

Good lord, you can't possibly be so stupid to use that argument.

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"pro-bile" - even Siri knows