Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

And dont join Curie expecting to be prepped for the silly entrance essay, and then complain your student is being subjected to a rigorous math, science & english curriculum that's too advanced and fast paced. If your student doesnt want to put in the effort, keep them as far away from Curie as you can.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

That's really good to hear!

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

I know some people are heavily vested in this notion but I just don't see any evidence that supports it. The differences seem minmial.

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

The number of 8th graders taking Algebra 2 is small. Running the SOL results pulls 210 8th graders taking the Algebra 2 SOL. The number could be higher then that because there is no real reason to take the SOL for Algebra 2 because students should already have their SOL credit for math from Algebra 1 but I am not really sure how that works out. Still, that 210 would be less then half of the incoming freshman class having completed Algebra 1, if all of those kids applied and were accepted.

(https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:3483554864619:SHOW_REPORT:::

Here is the list:

Carson: 49
Cooper: 31
Franklin: NA
Frost: 12
Glasgow: NA
Hayfield: NA
Hughes: NA
Irving: NA
Jackson: 9
Johnson: NA
Kilmer:11
Lake Braddock: NA
Longfellow: 34
Rocky Run: 14
South County: NA
Thoreau: 9

If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

In one class. How many classes?

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

The number of 8th graders taking Algebra 2 is small. Running the SOL results pulls 210 8th graders taking the Algebra 2 SOL. The number could be higher then that because there is no real reason to take the SOL for Algebra 2 because students should already have their SOL credit for math from Algebra 1 but I am not really sure how that works out. Still, that 210 would be less then half of the incoming freshman class having completed Algebra 1, if all of those kids applied and were accepted.

(https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:3483554864619:SHOW_REPORT:::

Here is the list:

Carson: 49
Cooper: 31
Franklin: NA
Frost: 12
Glasgow: NA
Hayfield: NA
Hughes: NA
Irving: NA
Jackson: 9
Johnson: NA
Kilmer:11
Lake Braddock: NA
Longfellow: 34
Rocky Run: 14
South County: NA
Thoreau: 9

If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

You left out Loudoun and Prince William. Stone Hill alone has two classes of Algebra 2 8th graders.
Many of these kids are not accepted(and in my opinion should not be accepted).
The admissions process does not look at which math class is taken.

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

I know some people are heavily vested in this notion but I just don't see any evidence that supports it. The differences seem minmial.

The SOLs, PSATs, and Math levels of the new class have been discussed here many times. No one is denying the results, but some are creating new explanations for the discrepancies.

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Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

The number of 8th graders taking Algebra 2 is small. Running the SOL results pulls 210 8th graders taking the Algebra 2 SOL. The number could be higher then that because there is no real reason to take the SOL for Algebra 2 because students should already have their SOL credit for math from Algebra 1 but I am not really sure how that works out. Still, that 210 would be less then half of the incoming freshman class having completed Algebra 1, if all of those kids applied and were accepted.

(https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:3483554864619:SHOW_REPORT:::

Here is the list:

Carson: 49
Cooper: 31
Franklin: NA
Frost: 12
Glasgow: NA
Hayfield: NA
Hughes: NA
Irving: NA
Jackson: 9
Johnson: NA
Kilmer:11
Lake Braddock: NA
Longfellow: 34
Rocky Run: 14
South County: NA
Thoreau: 9

If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Yes we get it. Kids at wealthier schools who have access to outside enrichment are more likely to get Algebra 2 in 8th.

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

It's not a lottery, but some want to pretend it is to help justify a return to the easily gamed process.

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

Bizarre post. Did a chat bot write this?

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Anonymous wrote:
If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Why would you assume that? The top 1.5% is based on essays, GPA, and experience factors. There are no bonus points given for the kid's math level.