Reasons why one would not accept TJ offer?

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

It's not a lottery, but some want to pretend it is to help justify a return to the easily gamed process.

Curie lover has very limited vocabulary

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

school profile data shows about 100+ being admitted into the bottom remedial math segment. Dont this bottom segment grades factor into the TJ ranking determination?

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Anonymous wrote:Wierd they couldn’t figure out new questions every year?

They did. The notion that the problems seen at Curie were the exact same as those asked in future admissions test is false. "Buying the answers" really means "buying past questions and answers".

Personally, I think the solution would have been to publicly release past exams to reduce the benefit of places like Curies

No, it's not that kind of test. The solution was to scrap it and change to a different type of test. Which they did. Problem solved. People complain, but people complain about everything.

Your BS story has been sending more traffic towards Curie, and demand for math and science enrichment has grown multifold after the test was scrapped. Do you work for Curie?

If people want to send their children to a cram school associated with that behavior, that's on them.

The changes made to the admissions process have successfully racheted down the math class arms race. Thankfully.

Cram and jam, it is!
Advanced post AP/DE Math classes are still offered at TJ, and mostly taken by advanced math students entering with Geometry or Algebra 2 credits. The big shift that occurred along with admissions change is more Algebra 1 kids needing remedial math are being admitted, which makes it quite challenging for these students to go past the bare minimum AP Calc AB. So you can say, the math path for these bottom kids has been ratcheted down.

Curie's 8th grade full year curriculum includes not just algebra2 but also trig.

Silly post. Now we can see that you don't know what you're talking about.

For others who are reading this thread, TJ accommodates highly accelerated kids but is designed to provide great opportunities to regular STEM gifted kids. The math class acceleration only started in the past 10 years or so and it can stop now.

Nah it will continue as it should. there will just be a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers.

I've been around TJ for a lot longer than pretty much anyone on this forum. There has ALWAYS been a noticeable difference between the top group of performers and the bottom group of performers. That has not changed significantly with the new classes.

The biggest difference is that now, most of the kids who are struggling on some level get their support from inside the school building - which is how it should be - because they are more open about their struggles and because they can't afford getting the help from outside.

As much as it harms the pernicious narrative, there just isn't that much difference between the TJ of 5-10 years ago and the TJ of today when it comes to ability. A few more kids are entering in geometry and a few more kids need a little bit of extra help to keep up. But there is a huge difference in the way the kids treat each other and the way they interact with their environment - and there's an even bigger difference in the parent cohort and their attitude toward the educational process. Once the last of the nutjob parents graduate with the Class of 2024, that process will be complete and TJ will be a much healthier place than it has been.

The SOL scores, math achievement, PSAT scores... all show a fairly stark differences from the pre-admission change period. Pointing out that the advanced math superstars aren't going away, but this much larger gap is a new reality. PP seemed to think kids were going to stop taking AlgII in 8th or something.

The number of 8th graders taking Algebra 2 is small. Running the SOL results pulls 210 8th graders taking the Algebra 2 SOL. The number could be higher then that because there is no real reason to take the SOL for Algebra 2 because students should already have their SOL credit for math from Algebra 1 but I am not really sure how that works out. Still, that 210 would be less then half of the incoming freshman class having completed Algebra 1, if all of those kids applied and were accepted.

(https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:3483554864619:SHOW_REPORT:::

Here is the list:

Carson: 49
Cooper: 31
Franklin: NA
Frost: 12
Glasgow: NA
Hayfield: NA
Hughes: NA
Irving: NA
Jackson: 9
Johnson: NA
Kilmer:11
Lake Braddock: NA
Longfellow: 34
Rocky Run: 14
South County: NA
Thoreau: 9

If the reports from DCUM are to be believed, not all of the kids with Algebra 2 are accepted as Freshman at TJ. I would assume the ones not accepted are from Carson, Longfellow, and Cooper. I would guess that the Algebra 2 kids from the schools that tend to send fewer kids, the ones without numbers reported, are more likely to have been accepted since those are likely in the top 1.5% of the pool and would be the most likely to apply from the less represented MS.

Yes we get it. Kids at wealthier schools who have access to outside enrichment are more likely to get Algebra 2 in 8th.

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DD is awesome at math - including doing great 1.75 years in at TJ - but we did not do outside math and she was not at a center where sending them to middle school for math was a thing. Doesn’t mean she doesn’t belong there.

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

Equity achieved, but at the expense of Cs and Ds of innocent bottom segment students. School profile shows the bottom segment carrying a 2.75 unweighted/3.2 weighted GPA, that's about 10 Cs

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

Equity achieved, but at the expense of Cs and Ds of innocent bottom segment students. School profile shows the bottom segment carrying a 2.75 unweighted/3.2 weighted GPA, that's about 10 Cs

How big is the bottom segment? Getting Cs and Ds shouldn't be rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

Equity achieved, but at the expense of Cs and Ds of innocent bottom segment students. School profile shows the bottom segment carrying a 2.75 unweighted/3.2 weighted GPA, that's about 10 Cs

How big is the bottom segment? Getting Cs and Ds shouldn't be rare.

Equity mate, suggesting that algebra admitted students who are struggling with Cs and Ds on their report cards should just accept it as normal is cruel.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

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Anonymous wrote:Selection is a lottery process which results in even distribution of math skills from precalc, Algebra-2 trig, Algebra-2, Geometry, all the way to remedial algebra1. That’s how the very bottom segment has vastly subpar math skills from very top segment.

It's not a lottery, but some want to pretend it is to help justify a return to the easily gamed process.

Curie lover has very limited vocabulary

So you don't love Curie but want to return to the age of test buying?

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

The infamous ad that Curie took out in the paper listed that one-third of the upcoming TJ class had used their program.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

Options better than these are provided by school system, but chronic absenteeism is a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.

I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.

It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.

Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

There are parents who are interested. This is just another form of overparenting, of parents unable to trust their children (and by extension not trusting their children's schools).

Ultimately, this hurts the children who may grow up to be anxious and lack resilience or may rebel and keep their parents at a distance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

There are parents who are interested. This is just another form of overparenting, of parents unable to trust their children (and by extension not trusting their children's schools).

Ultimately, this hurts the children who may grow up to be anxious and lack resilience or may rebel and keep their parents at a distance.

Welp those are parent’s choices to make. If they enroll their kids into programs they believe are best for their kid, then so be it. Having options is best.

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Anonymous wrote:Does Curie offer Summer classes?

Yes, Curie offers a wide range of summer STEM courses. We are enrolled at Curie during the year for academics, and DC wants to continue challenge during the summer as well, but do something more interesting. We enrolled in Robotics & Arduinos last summer, and this summer looking forward to Product Design STEM Camp. There is also the Creative Writing Bootcamp, where as part of final project DC wrote an amazing story about visiting Galapagos Islands with their favorite Marvel characters.

Thank you we will look into those classes right way. DC is a hard core marvel fan too. lol.

We are very happy with Curie, but almost every Curie class is full. Please be considerate to existing students and don't make it more crowded. Please consider other enrichment centers.

About how many total kids go to Curie?

About 20

times hundred. Hundreds start off over their upper elementary/middle school years, but far less than a quarter complete the entire program due to fit, fast pace, and advanced curriculum. It's mostly math until trig/early precalc, applied stem science, and english.

It's honestly too bad these options aren't provided by the school system. Clearly there are kids who are interested.

Or parents who are interested. I know that some of the kids in enrichment programs are there because they want it and enjoy it. I also know a good number who are there because their parents require it and they don't particularly enjoy it. I have chatted with some of the parents of kids in DS RSM class and they have said that their kid was there because it was important but the kid hated it. There are kids who are choosing to attend enrichment, kids who go because their parents make them and are ok with it, and kids who go because their parents make them and hate it.

I know people don't want to hear this but there kids who are not accepted into TJ because their essays are "I don't want to go to TJ" and not because of random lottery picks. They have done great in all the enrichment and accelerated math but they were not there by choice. The kids know that they can not answer the essay question, flub the essay intentionally, or write that they don't want to attend TJ and that their parents will never know. I saw this first hand grading AP exams and the like.

It is easier for the kids to let parents be outraged that their child wasn't selected for whatever reason the parent can conjure then it is to tell their parents that they don't want to go to TJ.

Heck, at this moment there is a parent asking for suggestions for daily tutoring for their 6th grader so that they can do well in pre-algebra or maybe skip straight to algebra in 7th grade on this forum.

parents asking for daily tutor suggestions insist and even force their kids to attend school everyday, where as parents who dont care are the ones causing chronic absenteeism problems for their innocent child. To make it worse, that child is being lied to that they'll do great at TJ, when in reality they suffer miserablly with Cs, Ds, and Fs, when they could be somewhat successful at their base school.

So let's appreciate the parent who forces their kid to attend to school matters starting from elementary school so that they are better qualified to attend TJ.