Why have people given up on looking attractive when they go out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Went to Italy for the first time this past summer, and OMG. I feel like Americans just don't have any self-respect anymore to look at them compared to the way the Italians carried themselves. It made me sad. Everyone is in Goblin Mode. I understand that sometimes life gets in the way, but try to put myself together and make sure my children do the same.

Of course everyone in the US is in goblin mode. People in Italy get a months vacation every year, plus health care, plus don't have to be worried about going bankrupt if they rack up medical bills or child care bills.

Of course we don't have any self respect if we are willing to put up with this sort of treatment.

I agree with this. If you go over to any of the "how do you fit in your workout" posts on the Diet and Exercise forum, you will be exhausted from just reading about people's schedules. Up at 4:30, workout for an hour, get kids ready for school, commute to work, work 9 hours, commute back home, get dinner ready and kids fed, take kids to practice, make sure homework is done, pack lunches for next day, do laundry/straighten up, collapse in bed at 9:30, and start it all over again the next day. This... is unsustainable and people are TIRED. Of course they look terrible and don't have the energy to do anything about it. They are in survival mode. Folks in Europe work 37 hour weeks, have tons of bank holiday, and take REAL vacations. They have government-subsidized daycare and healthcare, free university, and pensions kick in at younger ages than in the US. They SHOULD look better than us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

My comfort matters, yours doesn’t

so..... I should dress for others' comfort? That's crazy.
I'm dressing how I want to, when I want to, and it's not my issue if someone has a problem with it.

Yes, you should take others’ comfort into consideration when dressing. Because you are living in a society, and you are not the only person on the planet. It makes other people uncomfortable to see the outline of your penis, for example, or part of your areola, or your buttcrack, or your muffin top, or the three inch long hair under your arms. It is ridiculous and childish to feel entitled to subject other people to that because… you just feel like it.

We're talking about leggings, not sack. JFC on a moped, Karen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

Love this.
Apparently some pp's think every target employee notes them in a little diary to reminisce over because they wore pantyhose and were superior shoppers to others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

My husband and I notice you and think you look like a lazy slob without an ounce of self awareness. And that your appearance is a sad reflection of the overall lack of manners, decorum, and pride in the US. A society in decline, as it were. Oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My comfort matters, yours doesn’t

so..... I should dress for others' comfort? That's crazy.
I'm dressing how I want to, when I want to, and it's not my issue if someone has a problem with it.

Yes, you should take others’ comfort into consideration when dressing. Because you are living in a society, and you are not the only person on the planet. It makes other people uncomfortable to see the outline of your penis, for example, or part of your areola, or your buttcrack, or your muffin top, or the three inch long hair under your arms. It is ridiculous and childish to feel entitled to subject other people to that because… you just feel like it.

We're talking about leggings, not sack. JFC on a moped, Karen.

We can see your camel toe, ma’am.

[Anonymous]

It's not the rich who are dressing like slobs, it's the middle class and underclass. I think wage stagnation, depression, and obesity rates play a part. The proles have given up and their appearance reflects that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'll never forget the day many years ago when I forgot to wear eye liner to work. Multiple people asked me "are you okay?" before I realized why.

I'm 60 years old and have worn eyeliner since I was 15. Every time I've tried to give up the habit, I've had at least one person a day say "Oh, you look exhausted today" or "Are you not feeling well?" So I guess it's eyeliner for life or until my eyesight is so bad the magnifying mirror doesn't work anymore or I develop a hand tremor.

This made me laugh. Which eye liner do you use?

I am 45 and feel like eye liner hasn’t really done much for me since I was in my 20s.

I've used the Urban Decay 24/7 waterproof eyeliner pencil in Whiskey for many years, though I'm less enamored with it lately than I used to be. It used to be actually smudge proof on me, but not any more, no matter if I use primer and/or setting spray. I don't know if they've changed the formulation or if it's because with increased eyelid droopiness, I'm now getting transfer to my lower eyelid. (Yeah, I know. I know.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

My husband and I notice you and think you look like a lazy slob without an ounce of self awareness. And that your appearance is a sad reflection of the overall lack of manners, decorum, and pride in the US. A society in decline, as it were. Oh well.

And I should care what you and your husband think, because?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

My husband and I notice you and think you look like a lazy slob without an ounce of self awareness. And that your appearance is a sad reflection of the overall lack of manners, decorum, and pride in the US. A society in decline, as it were. Oh well.

My husband and I don't notice you at all.

[Anonymous]

So American to be SO PROUD of how you Don’t Care At All about other people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ask yourself why the opinion of others matters so much to you.

Ask yourself why the opinions of others DOESN’T matter to you.

The opinions of others do matter. And I can probably count all those "others" on my two hands. Part of growing up is realizing that most people's opinions don't matter. Impressing looks-obsessed women (yes, only women care about this) that I don't know isn't a priority. The employee at Target doesn't care what I wear, they care that I'm polite. The other parents at pickup don't care how I'm dressed, they care if my child is nice to theirs and whether I'm donating to the fundraiser.

I think there's a massive fallacy at work with you and OP in that you think everyone cares about this as much as you do. That all of us are judging each other by outfits and makeup. In professional or formal environments where certain dress is expected, then people should dress appropriately. But outside of that, nobody cares. Nobody is looking at you. Nobody remembers you. Not a single person saw you at the Wawa today and thought "she is so well dressed, I feel respected and uplifted by her presence." But they certainly noticed if you were talking down to them.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rich who are dressing like slobs, it's the middle class and underclass. I think wage stagnation, depression, and obesity rates play a part. The proles have given up and their appearance reflects that.

You're disgusting btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'll never forget the day many years ago when I forgot to wear eye liner to work. Multiple people asked me "are you okay?" before I realized why.

I'm 60 years old and have worn eyeliner since I was 15. Every time I've tried to give up the habit, I've had at least one person a day say "Oh, you look exhausted today" or "Are you not feeling well?" So I guess it's eyeliner for life or until my eyesight is so bad the magnifying mirror doesn't work anymore or I develop a hand tremor.

Funny, no one ever says this to me. I actually find a lot of makeup very aging. But you do you! The only people who have ever said I should wear more makeup are other women. Never men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So American to be SO PROUD of how you Don’t Care At All about other people

+1

These people are infantile