FCPS High School Poverty and Enrollment

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB at Lewis and move part of West Springfield there. Done.


What does this do for the students at either school? I bet if you get rid of IB, that might be enough.


Improves opportunities for students at both schools.


Sending students and their families out of their community is not helpful to anyone. What opportunities is this going to present for the students at "both schools."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So just to confirm, liberal Fairfax, Blue Fairfax (regularly voting 65 to 35, 70 to 30 for Dems), is for:

- No border enforcement, allowing children to flood into the country
- Welcoming those students to Fairfax County, but
--- Isolating those poor, non-English speaking students into separate schools (and certainly away from their own children)
--- Lax pupil placement that enables wealthier students to run from those schools
--- Unequal educational and extracurricular activities at Fairfax schools

Do I have this all correct? Because that is how this all reads.

See, I don't think the wider Fairfax County population will understand the impacts until they are personally impacted.


Your post has a pretty black and white view of things that is rather childish.

1. No border enforcement, allowing children to flood into the country

No one has said no border enforcement is a good policy EVER. And, most parents don’t just put their kids on a plane to America because they feel like it. More likely that last resort measure is pecans

2. --- Isolating those poor, non-English speaking students into separate schools (and certainly away from their own children)

Children who speak no English should be isolated for a bit until they can learn some English. It would be really hard to start trigonometry in English when you have a 4th grade education level. That is what there are levels of ESL services in schools. I bet if Lewis continued Spanish immersion programs through high school and gave classes in high school in Spanish there would be more interest. The kids from Rose Hill could continue in ALL Spanish classes. Now that is a great skill!

3. Lax pupil placement that enables wealthier students to run from those schools
Do you have direct experience with this- did you run?

4. -- Unequal educational and extracurricular activities at Fairfax schools

Unequal educational and extracurricular activities run rampant and are a standard in America that is why we have sports try outs- sports/ex recuse are only for those who excel at sports.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB at Lewis and move part of West Springfield there. Done.


What does this do for the students at either school? I bet if you get rid of IB, that might be enough.


Improves opportunities for students at both schools.


Sending students and their families out of their community is not helpful to anyone. What opportunities is this going to present for the students at "both schools."


Less competition, more attention for individual students at WS.

More students and involved parents, more teams and programs at Lewis.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB at Lewis and move part of West Springfield there. Done.


What does this do for the students at either school? I bet if you get rid of IB, that might be enough.


Improves opportunities for students at both schools.


Sending students and their families out of their community is not helpful to anyone. What opportunities is this going to present for the students at "both schools."


Less competition, more attention for individual students at WS.

More students and involved parents, more teams and programs at Lewis.


I don’t think it works out like this in real life, only in your perception. If there are more students, there will also be more competition and fewer slots on the available teams at Lewis. I guess I have no clue- what sports teams is Lewis missing?

Did you just want AP placements and didn’t pupil place out or are you speaking about electives with the use of programs? Just because a school offers more electives doesn’t mean your child will get their chosen electives. Scheduling is always an issue.

Also, few kids get attention in high school. Most are just part of the class.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB at Lewis and move part of West Springfield there. Done.


What does this do for the students at either school? I bet if you get rid of IB, that might be enough.


Improves opportunities for students at both schools.


Sending students and their families out of their community is not helpful to anyone. What opportunities is this going to present for the students at "both schools."


Less competition, more attention for individual students at WS.

More students and involved parents, more teams and programs at Lewis.


I don’t think it works out like this in real life, only in your perception. If there are more students, there will also be more competition and fewer slots on the available teams at Lewis. I guess I have no clue- what sports teams is Lewis missing?

Did you just want AP placements and didn’t pupil place out or are you speaking about electives with the use of programs? Just because a school offers more electives doesn’t mean your child will get their chosen electives. Scheduling is always an issue.

Also, few kids get attention in high school. Most are just part of the class.


You’re asking questions that make you seem really ignorant so perhaps you need to stop posting for a while and educate yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP - the simple fact is that the gap between certain neighboring schools in FCPS has become so large that the prospect of boundary changes is essentially off the table.

West Springfield - Lewis - not going to happen. Langley - Herndon - not going to happen. Woodson - Annandale - not going to happen.

And then you have West Potomac and Mount Vernon - it could have happened. A boundary change made perfect sense. Extra space at Mount Vernon and too many students at West Potomac. Both schools have a pretty high F/R lunch rate, but West Potomac's is a bit lower and it has a better reputation (and AP courses). If they didn't change those boundaries, you better believe they are never going to make those other changes.

Up until 2000, maybe 2005, you could probably have made any of those changes. Parents would have grumbled but would have sucked it up and moved on. Now it would implode parents' minds.


The posters on this thread have confirmed my cynicism about the residents of Fairfax County. It confirms that FCPS let the gap get too big to ever change boundaries between certain schools. It confirms that Fairfax will continue to vote for liberal policies as long as they can avoid any of the consequences.

I understand exactly why families would flee their countries to the U.S. and I don't blame them. Makes perfect sense. And most are really good people. But it the sovereign right of the U.S. to control who does get in and at what pace. It is the pace of the immigration and the concentration of those populations that has consequences. The current President nixed policies that were starting to stem the flow and so the floodgates were opened again. But as long as the Langleys, West Springfields, Madisons, and Martha's Vineyards of the world aren't impacted, nothing will change.
Anonymous
Interesting: in the two years since Lee was renamed to Lewis, the demographics at Lewis have changed quite a bit. Not only have the percentages changed, but the numbers of changed.

There are fewer Black, white and Asian kids there now than two years ago. There is a significant increase (more than 100) of Hispanic students.

Maybe, the coming social justice academy is not as appealing as our SB thought it would be.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Interesting: in the two years since Lee was renamed to Lewis, the demographics at Lewis have changed quite a bit. Not only have the percentages changed, but the numbers of changed.

There are fewer Black, white and Asian kids there now than two years ago. There is a significant increase (more than 100) of Hispanic students.

Maybe, the coming social justice academy is not as appealing as our SB thought it would be.



There is a certain irony in the only high school in Fairfax that is named after black American (a civil rights leader no less) is now the poorest and most segregated high school in Fairfax.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Get rid of IB at Lewis and move part of West Springfield there. Done.


What does this do for the students at either school? I bet if you get rid of IB, that might be enough.


Improves opportunities for students at both schools.


Sending students and their families out of their community is not helpful to anyone. What opportunities is this going to present for the students at "both schools."


Less competition, more attention for individual students at WS.

More students and involved parents, more teams and programs at Lewis.


I don’t think it works out like this in real life, only in your perception. If there are more students, there will also be more competition and fewer slots on the available teams at Lewis. I guess I have no clue- what sports teams is Lewis missing?

Did you just want AP placements and didn’t pupil place out or are you speaking about electives with the use of programs? Just because a school offers more electives doesn’t mean your child will get their chosen electives. Scheduling is always an issue.

Also, few kids get attention in high school. Most are just part of the class.


You’re asking questions that make you seem really ignorant so perhaps you need to stop posting for a while and educate yourself.


But you don’t seem to have the answers and you are talking about it like you know. So just type the answers instead of insults. You will feel better about yourself and have done a public service.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:OP - the simple fact is that the gap between certain neighboring schools in FCPS has become so large that the prospect of boundary changes is essentially off the table.

West Springfield - Lewis - not going to happen. Langley - Herndon - not going to happen. Woodson - Annandale - not going to happen.

And then you have West Potomac and Mount Vernon - it could have happened. A boundary change made perfect sense. Extra space at Mount Vernon and too many students at West Potomac. Both schools have a pretty high F/R lunch rate, but West Potomac's is a bit lower and it has a better reputation (and AP courses). If they didn't change those boundaries, you better believe they are never going to make those other changes.

Up until 2000, maybe 2005, you could probably have made any of those changes. Parents would have grumbled but would have sucked it up and moved on. Now it would implode parents' minds.


The posters on this thread have confirmed my cynicism about the residents of Fairfax County. It confirms that FCPS let the gap get too big to ever change boundaries between certain schools. It confirms that Fairfax will continue to vote for liberal policies as long as they can avoid any of the consequences.

I understand exactly why families would flee their countries to the U.S. and I don't blame them. Makes perfect sense. And most are really good people. But it the sovereign right of the U.S. to control who does get in and at what pace. It is the pace of the immigration and the concentration of those populations that has consequences. The current President nixed policies that were starting to stem the flow and so the floodgates were opened again. But as long as the Langleys, West Springfields, Madisons, and Martha's Vineyards of the world aren't impacted, nothing will change.


Throwing in a couple of hundred UMC kids will not fix this problem.

And, FWIW, you are always going to find pockets of poverty. You cannot redistribute enough students to fix that.

We need a different model for this. Address the problem and the poverty where it is.

When more than half of the school is speaking Spanish, we need a different model. And, it is not shifting kids. That just covers up the problem.

Do you really think it would be fair to take a neighborhood and shift them to Lewis just to cover up the problem? Do you really think these kids benefit from IB?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Central, not North, little league feeds Lewis. But I believe many of the Central players are zoned for Edison and Hayfield. And many of the white families have relocated by the time their children reach middle school or they pupil place.

Multiple posters on this thread have made the case that Lewis is not tolerable, so why would you expect any family with options to stay?


I apologize. I did mean Central little league, not North little league. The one w games at that park between Lewis and the mixing bowl. My mistake.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It’s also true that whoever is responsible for zoning in Springfield didn’t do Lewis any favors. The school is in the middle of heavily commercial properties - strip malls and big roads. It didn’t keep the natural beauty (trees and parks, bike paths and trails) of west Springfield, Annandale, Burke. And on the other hand it doesn’t have the big newer houses that South County and Hayfield have. Even Edison has decent pockets of desirable neighborhoods.

There are many issues working against that school.


There are big new houses zoned for Lewis. I agree about the parks though.

People act like Lewis is some slum school. That is a falsehood. The neighborhoods zoned for Lewis are generally very well kept, manicured lawns, maintained homes. Drive around those immigrant neighborhoods and you will see houses where people take pride in themselves and their homes.

The issue is tied to ESOL numbers. But people are assuming that those esol families zoned for Lewis are incapable of chosing to live in a "better" school zone, which only works if you ignore that many want to raise their families near family, friends, and a shared cultural community. The issue is far more complicated than the "move some WSHS kids to Lewis" poster wants it to be. It is a generational fix, not one that can be changed overnight by sprinkling some perceived WSHS fairy dust into Lewis.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:It’s also true that whoever is responsible for zoning in Springfield didn’t do Lewis any favors. The school is in the middle of heavily commercial properties - strip malls and big roads. It didn’t keep the natural beauty (trees and parks, bike paths and trails) of west Springfield, Annandale, Burke. And on the other hand it doesn’t have the big newer houses that South County and Hayfield have. Even Edison has decent pockets of desirable neighborhoods.

There are many issues working against that school.


There are big new houses zoned for Lewis. I agree about the parks though.

People act like Lewis is some slum school. That is a falsehood. The neighborhoods zoned for Lewis are generally very well kept, manicured lawns, maintained homes. Drive around those immigrant neighborhoods and you will see houses where people take pride in themselves and their homes.

The issue is tied to ESOL numbers. But people are assuming that those esol families zoned for Lewis are incapable of chosing to live in a "better" school zone, which only works if you ignore that many want to raise their families near family, friends, and a shared cultural community. The issue is far more complicated than the "move some WSHS kids to Lewis" poster wants it to be. It is a generational fix, not one that can be changed overnight by sprinkling some perceived WSHS fairy dust into Lewis.



"ignore that many want to raise their families near family, friends, and a shared cultural community. "

This is Fairfax. Most that live here are transplants from elsewhere. And yes, most families zoned for Lewis would opt out if they had options elsewhere. This is why charter schools are so popular in DC.

Second, Spanish Immersion requires reform, such as providing additional instructional support via supplemental English classes. Immerse them in English, so they can participate and thrive in our society. Not isolating them and segregating them, as social justice warriors did by advocating for ebonics in urban schools. Separate is not equal.
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Anonymous wrote:Can you see how the vicious downward spiral happens?


It happens--not because of boundary adjustments--but because of changing demographics across the county.

With 30% FARMS, you are going to have different needs. It is up to FCPS to meet those needs--not cover them up with boundary changes.


Sounds to me like a West Springfield poster afraid there could be boundary changes. Or another school in a similar situation. You got yours, screw what happens to everyone else. That seems to be the general attitude in this county.


I don’t know how you have one school with under 1700 kids next to another wealthier, renovated school with almost 2700 kids. It seems like a blatant civil rights violation. Shame on this school board.


It is not a civil right violation. What a ridiculous statement.

West Springfield has very tiny boundaries compared to most fcps.

It has a large enrollement because tons of older families sold to young families who sought out WSHS zoned houses, around 2012-2016, resulting in a huge glut of elementary kids in a very concentrated area. These kids are now in high school

In many of the WSHS feeder neighborhoods, the number of students from the classes of 2024, 2025 and 2026 are HUGE and have been for many years. In one street in our neighborhood, there are 11 class of 2024 students. This is repeated over and over in the area. Those classes, plus a couple of years below that to a lesser degree hit that sweet spot of neighborhood turnover from empty nesters selling + low interest rates.

The current elementary grades in our neighborhood have far fewer students than the classes of 24, 25 and 26. Then it seems the kinder, 1st and 2nd grade classes have a lot of kids, again from another cluster of empty nesters selling during the 2% interest window.

The bloated enrollment is temporary and is a natural ebb and flow.

Besides military families really seek out this high school for a shared community culture. Switching a neighborhood or two to Lewis will not change this as those families will just avoid the Lewis neighborhoods.

I do think WSHS and any capacity school should do an enrollment audit at open house, requiring a utility bill showing residency in order to pick up a student schedule. Any student without proof of residency should return to their assigned school.


Here are the 2022-2023 FCPS stats showing what I am talking about and why this bump in enrollment at FCPS is just a temporaray issue, mostly due to class of 2026.

2022-2023 school year:

Class of 2021: 578 students
Class of 2022: 665 students
Class of 2023: 642 students

Class of 2024: 648 students
Class of 2025: 651 students
Class of 2026: 719 students (down from its pre-lockdown peak of almost 750 students)
Class of 2027: 601 students

Class of 2028: 570 students

There is a roughly 70 students difference between the rising sophomore class and the 11th/12th grade classes.

There is nearly a 150 student difference between the rising sophomore class and the current 8th grade class.

The rising 11th and 12th grades at WSHS are both around 75 more students than the typical grade for that school and the rising 9th grade class is 30 students more than the typical class at WSHS.

After that, the grades start to normalize back to normal historical enrollment numbers for WSHS.

Once class of 2026 graduates, WSHS will be back aeound 2200/2300 students, which is below capacity.

It is ridiculous to disrupt so many families and students by rezoning when this is a temporary issue caused by one extraordinarily large class.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s also true that whoever is responsible for zoning in Springfield didn’t do Lewis any favors. The school is in the middle of heavily commercial properties - strip malls and big roads. It didn’t keep the natural beauty (trees and parks, bike paths and trails) of west Springfield, Annandale, Burke. And on the other hand it doesn’t have the big newer houses that South County and Hayfield have. Even Edison has decent pockets of desirable neighborhoods.

There are many issues working against that school.


There are big new houses zoned for Lewis. I agree about the parks though.

People act like Lewis is some slum school. That is a falsehood. The neighborhoods zoned for Lewis are generally very well kept, manicured lawns, maintained homes. Drive around those immigrant neighborhoods and you will see houses where people take pride in themselves and their homes.

The issue is tied to ESOL numbers. But people are assuming that those esol families zoned for Lewis are incapable of chosing to live in a "better" school zone, which only works if you ignore that many want to raise their families near family, friends, and a shared cultural community. The issue is far more complicated than the "move some WSHS kids to Lewis" poster wants it to be. It is a generational fix, not one that can be changed overnight by sprinkling some perceived WSHS fairy dust into Lewis.



"ignore that many want to raise their families near family, friends, and a shared cultural community. "

This is Fairfax. Most that live here are transplants from elsewhere. And yes, most families zoned for Lewis would opt out if they had options elsewhere. This is why charter schools are so popular in DC.

Second, Spanish Immersion requires reform, such as providing additional instructional support via supplemental English classes. Immerse them in English, so they can participate and thrive in our society. Not isolating them and segregating them, as social justice warriors did by advocating for ebonics in urban schools. Separate is not equal.


Have you been in those communities feeding into Lewis? They are true communities full of people who take pride in themselves and their surroundings, not so dc slums.
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