Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Dp, but you are wrong here. Blake’s complaint does not actually allege what she was wearing in the birthing scene, just drops a footnote about what might typically worn. This is really damming and I think really draws into question how much her attorneys knew they were peddling untruths. As a lawyer, I couldn’t draft this paragraph without asking Blake what she was wearing, and to deliberate omit what she was wearing and instead resort to a vague allusion to usual practice is really troubling because her atttorneys are then participating in a deception. His complaint says she was wearing black briefs and a pregnancy suit .

Blake's claim says " a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia" (pg 15, line 17). Interestingly you can acually see a brief shot of something white between her legs in the movie scene (on youtube). That will be an easy one to prove or disprove from the filming.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: 5:58. I think that’s an interesting theory that something happened and it has to do with Ryan. When you read the messages and baldoni’s version of events compared to lively’s, it seems like she took events/comments out of context from when things were seemingly good between them, and weaponized them against him to make them seem way worse and harassing.

+1 I have changed my theory. I think their relationship was incredibly inappropriate. I am not saying it was romantic but he blurred the director/actress lines with her. He should've had clear boundaries from beginning. Everyone else was stressed from the changes while he's kickiling with her contributing to those changes. They are not being honest about the natural of their relationship.

Thank you. I've been saying this from the beginning. It doesn't make sense that Blake spent so much time with him alone if she felt SH. Now in this one complaint Justin's POV on how they viewed each other changes multiple times. The truth is they were flirty and sarcastic which made everyone uncomfortable. He kept allowing her to change things because he liked spending time with her. People even bypassed him and complained to his partner that it needed to be handled.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Dp, but you are wrong here. Blake’s complaint does not actually allege what she was wearing in the birthing scene, just drops a footnote about what might typically worn. This is really damming and I think really draws into question how much her attorneys knew they were peddling untruths. As a lawyer, I couldn’t draft this paragraph without asking Blake what she was wearing, and to deliberate omit what she was wearing and instead resort to a vague allusion to usual practice is really troubling because her atttorneys are then participating in a deception. His complaint says she was wearing black briefs and a pregnancy suit .

Blake's claim says " a small piece of fabric covering her genitalia" (pg 15, line 17). Interestingly you can acually see a brief shot of something white between her legs in the movie scene (on youtube). That will be an easy one to prove or disprove from the filming.

Small piece of fabric could easily be underwear. The fact that they dropped the weird footnote about usual practice suggests to me they are taking creative liberties there. When someone avoids using clear language when drafting, which here would be an actual statement of what she was wearing, there usually is a reason for it. Also notably absent from her allegation was the fact that she was wearing a pregnancy suit, which cannot be disputed.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Agree that Justin's complaint doesn't settle the issue -- the disagreements on facts could absolutely be about perception. Just regarding the birth scene:

- Baldoni's complaint doesn't address whether Lively was pressured to do the birth scene nude with the compromise result that she was wearing a gown and some kind of covering over her private parts (the pressure on Lively to be nude in the scene is centrally relevant to her complaint and is also related to the video of Heath's wife giving birth, as apparently his wife was nude in that video). It also doesn't discuss whether the intimacy coordinator was involved in the discussion of how nude Lively would be in the scene. If there was a discussion of having an actress nude in a scene and the IC was not involved, that tends to support Lively's claim. Also even if Lively eventually was more clothed in the scene, the pressure on her to be nude could be considered part of a pattern of sexual harassment.

- Baldoni's complaint does not address whether Lively requested something to cover up with between shots in the scene, or whether something was provided. The complaint states that it was "dishonest" to claim she was mostly nude or nude form the waist down because she was wearing briefs. But we don't know how much coverage the briefs provided and certainly if someone has their feet up in stirrups, that is a particularly vulnerable hposition. I don't think the context Baldoni provides resolves the issue or disproves Lively's claim here.

Just like her complaint, you keep omitting the fact she was wearing a pregnancy suit, which makes her very not naked from the waist down.

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So....it sounds like Blake, Ryan AND Taylor are obnoxious, bullying jerks. Hard to believe that all 3 of them are full grown adults.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Agree that Justin's complaint doesn't settle the issue -- the disagreements on facts could absolutely be about perception. Just regarding the birth scene:

- Baldoni's complaint doesn't address whether Lively was pressured to do the birth scene nude with the compromise result that she was wearing a gown and some kind of covering over her private parts (the pressure on Lively to be nude in the scene is centrally relevant to her complaint and is also related to the video of Heath's wife giving birth, as apparently his wife was nude in that video). It also doesn't discuss whether the intimacy coordinator was involved in the discussion of how nude Lively would be in the scene. If there was a discussion of having an actress nude in a scene and the IC was not involved, that tends to support Lively's claim. Also even if Lively eventually was more clothed in the scene, the pressure on her to be nude could be considered part of a pattern of sexual harassment.

- Baldoni's complaint does not address whether Lively requested something to cover up with between shots in the scene, or whether something was provided. The complaint states that it was "dishonest" to claim she was mostly nude or nude form the waist down because she was wearing briefs. But we don't know how much coverage the briefs provided and certainly if someone has their feet up in stirrups, that is a particularly vulnerable hposition. I don't think the context Baldoni provides resolves the issue or disproves Lively's claim here.

Just like her complaint, you keep omitting the fact she was wearing a pregnancy suit, which makes her very not naked from the waist down.

I dont claim to be an expert on pregnancy suits but the pictures of them that I have seen don't seem to go over the genitals or between the legs. They are mostly bellies and some have breasts.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

"What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch."

No one has said or insinuated that is why he ws hired. Blake didn't and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread either. He last and only movie appearance was in 2012 and despite being Justin's friend he think he just happened to be hired for his acting prowess? Okay then.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

"What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.
No one has said or insinuated that is why he ws hired. Blake didn't and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread either. He last and only movie appearance was in 2012 and despite being Justin's friend he think he just happened to be hired for his acting prowess? Okay then.

You may notice one of your posts just disappeared for sock puppeting. Which you have been doing throughout this thread but I am too lazy to report them all.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

"What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.
No one has said or insinuated that is why he ws hired. Blake didn't and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread either. He last and only movie appearance was in 2012 and despite being Justin's friend he think he just happened to be hired for his acting prowess? Okay then.

You may notice one of your posts just disappeared for sock puppeting. Which you have been doing throughout this thread but I am too lazy to report them all.

Not the PP but what is sock puppeting?

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Anonymous wrote:So....it sounds like Blake, Ryan AND Taylor are obnoxious, bullying jerks. Hard to believe that all 3 of them are full grown adults.

To be fair, I don’t think just because Taylor was in the apartment she needs to be dragged into this. She was probably hanging out and Blake said something annoying like, can you come in and gush over the scene I wrote in front of Justin. And she did. I don’t see that she did any bullying. That was all Ryan and Blake.

In fact, I’m betting Taylor is super pissed she was dragged into the fray.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

"What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch."

No one has said or insinuated that is why he ws hired. Blake didn't and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread either. He last and only movie appearance was in 2012 and despite being Justin's friend he think he just happened to be hired for his acting prowess? Okay then.

IMDB doesn’t list his theater credentials. Come on, the guy is a professional actor who makes a living out of parts like this. Totally appropriate for him to be hired.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

Where do you get that he has worked consistently as an actor and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets?

According to IMDB he has been on
It Ends with Us (2024)
A podcast called Dark Air with Terry Carnation (2021)
The Last ship (one episode) (2016)
Castle (one episode) 2015
One episode appearances on four different shows in 2014
One episode apperances on two different shows in 2013
One episode apperance in 2012
One voice over role in 2010.

His own resume only lists 8 of these film/ tv appearances so he has been (in most cases very briefly with bit parts in one epsiode) on less than a dozen movie or tv sets in his lifetime. The last time before It Ends with Us as in 2016 on a tv set and he has only ever been on one movie set before. His resume lists a dozen or so theatre shows he has been in and two off broadway plays.

If Blake's claim is truthful, Justin introduced Adam as his best friend. They come from the same church so I doubt their friendship is falsified. As you saw from my post, there are a lot of possibilities as to how and why he ended up in this movie and in this scene.

Dp, but god, you are tiresome, assuming your summary is accurate because I have better things to do than check your work, this resume seems consistent with a theatre actor who occasionally picks up bit parts.
Justin didn’t deny he introduced the guy as a friend to Blake, but instead said he wasn’t hired because he was a friend. Given the fact that the guy is actually an actor, that sounds reasonable. What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.

"What doesn’t sound reasonable is the insinuation the guy was hired because he had some long standing desire to sniff Blake’s crotch.
No one has said or insinuated that is why he ws hired. Blake didn't and I haven't seen that anywhere on this thread either. He last and only movie appearance was in 2012 and despite being Justin's friend he think he just happened to be hired for his acting prowess? Okay then.

You may notice one of your posts just disappeared for sock puppeting. Which you have been doing throughout this thread but I am too lazy to report them all.

Not the PP but what is sock puppeting?

When you respond to your own posts to make it appear like you are a different poster. In this case, she quoted her prior post, and then started a new one with “Agree . . . .”

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Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

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Anonymous wrote:Seem like the fact that the last few pages are really nitpicking over the OB/GYN, and the pregnancy suit, and little details, shows there just isn’t muchti the suit. I was more sympathetic at first, but it just seems like they got very close and they both said things that could be turned against them.

The thing is, it was Blake who tried to and succeeded in getting control of this movie so she is the one that has far more to gain from making it seem like he is the bad guy here. It seemed like when the movie came out Justin was just gushing over her and had no intention of smearing her. Just seems like she instigated all of this and now she’s gotta pay the price.

Justin freaked out after extras started spilling on their affair.