Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

You have a severe misunderstanding about of the legal process.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Well dang. Your complaint would be 180 pages of debating the definition of underwear.

And it still wouldn't be proof of anything! Rambling about something with a different opinion or presentation of events isn't evidence or proof someone lied.

OMG just STFU. You are in over your head in the legal discussion and have nothing to add in terms of the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:So why would she lie? She’s really risking public ridicule and her career to make a false claim?

The case all hinges on retaliation. Her initial complaints were tenuous or false. But under the law you are protected from retaliation for making a sexual harassment complaint if the retaliation would deter a reasonable person from making a complaint. Although I do not think Baldoni harassed her, it looks like he smeared her chronologically after her complaint and to undermine her continued complaints that he feared. legally it’s more complex that that and far from proven, but it’s still a big threat to him.

More subjectively, I think his decision to do a smear campaign against an A-lister is what triggered this. Setting aside all the other stuff, Blake and her “dragons”
found this unacceptable.

I mean shouldn't we all find this unacceptable? Or, it's okay because she's an "A-lister?" This is aside from the sexual harassment claims.

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Anonymous wrote:So why would she lie? She’s really risking public ridicule and her career to make a false claim?

The case all hinges on retaliation. Her initial complaints were tenuous or false. But under the law you are protected from retaliation for making a sexual harassment complaint if the retaliation would deter a reasonable person from making a complaint. Although I do not think Baldoni harassed her, it looks like he smeared her chronologically after her complaint and to undermine her continued complaints that he feared. legally it’s more complex that that and far from proven, but it’s still a big threat to him.

More subjectively, I think his decision to do a smear campaign against an A-lister is what triggered this. Setting aside all the other stuff, Blake and her “dragons”
found this unacceptable.

I mean shouldn't we all find this unacceptable? Or, it's okay because she's an "A-lister?" This is aside from the sexual harassment claims.

planting stories on social media? Yeah. But I think the implication is that everyone does it on all sides.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually seen the movie?

Yes, I posted about a few times here and there’s a whole other thread on it. I actually enjoyed it and thought they both did a great job.

It’s not a masterpiece but it was a good summer movie.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

It wasn't just the introduction. If you had read it you would've seen it. In fact there were several careless mistakes throughout.

What careless mistakes?

I read a ton of these complaints & answers and this one reads as expected and is very strong. They never read like a contract dispute or whatever.

For one when talking about the nudity rider, his lawyer claimed Wayfarer stated it needed to be signed by May 11th. Expect in the attached exhibit, Wayfarer's lawyer said they needed it the next day which would have been the 9th. He also claimed Blake's lawyer didn't respond until the 12th. Again not true. Her lawyer responded the same day at 1:46 pm. They needed more documents that wasn't sent over until the next day on the 10th. I read a lot lawsuits as well and while Justin has evidence this was not done well.

you’re misreading that - the last email is about escrow

The last email picture is about the nudity riders. It's attached as an .eml file

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Anonymous wrote:What is very clear is that no one else on set had a problem with Justin. Isabel, who played young Lily in the film, after the filming wrapped, wrote him a very lovely series of text about how wonderful he was, how comfortable she felt, and what a great experience it was.

It seems like Colleen Hoover, who lobbied for him to not only direct but star in the movie, had no issues at all, seems she just blatantly chose Blake. I lost a lot of respect for her. But it’s clear no one else had issues on the set.

Isn't it also clear that nobody had an issue with Blake? Since they sided with her over him.

But she is accusing him of creating a bad environment on set and saying, others supported her in that. So far there is no evidence in that, and he actually presented evidence of the opposite.

Isabel’s praising texts made it clear at least she thought he had created a comfortable, welcoming set.

And so far Blake’s team haven’t presented anything to show others were uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

“factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence” is what I actually said about the OB scene.

No what you said was "factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim". So what is the documentary evidence provided that fully rebutt's Blake's claim in the obgyn scene?

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Anonymous wrote:What is very clear is that no one else on set had a problem with Justin. Isabel, who played young Lily in the film, after the filming wrapped, wrote him a very lovely series of text about how wonderful he was, how comfortable she felt, and what a great experience it was.

It seems like Colleen Hoover, who lobbied for him to not only direct but star in the movie, had no issues at all, seems she just blatantly chose Blake. I lost a lot of respect for her. But it’s clear no one else had issues on the set.

Isn't it also clear that nobody had an issue with Blake? Since they sided with her over him.

But she is accusing him of creating a bad environment on set and saying, others supported her in that. So far there is no evidence in that, and he actually presented evidence of the opposite.

Isabel’s praising texts made it clear at least she thought he had created a comfortable, welcoming set.

And so far Blake’s team haven’t presented anything to show others were uncomfortable.

Jennifer mentioned a few people where uncomfortable on set too. I don't think it was created out of thin air. I don't think Blake had an huge issue with it though until she tried to use it for her benefit

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

He was a professional actor, with a masters degree in theater, who toured with a British theater company for decades, and yes, his bit parts are consistent, he’s worked as an actor for decades and been on dozens and dozens and dozens of sets. Bit parts like this are literally what he does for a living. His resume is very clear that it was perfectly appropriate to cast him in this role. 100 other people have previously done the same thing, but Justin’s in the wrong?

I absolutely don’t believe that he got off on being anywhere near Blake - he was doing his job. She sounds like a complete psycho.

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Anonymous wrote:I think with both complaints, you can't read it like a factual document or even like a news report of what happened. These are intended to be persuasive documents. As a result they will sculpt a narrative, include details that make their client look good and the opponent look bad, but many of them are ultimately not relevant and may not even be facts they can prove.

Baldoni's complaint does more of this, IMO, which I think is a reflection of his lawyer's style. If you are aware of the other high profile clients he's had, you get a sense of why he would approach it that way. Also if you've worked in litigation at any level you know guys with this personality. It's a type.

But a lot of the detail in his complaint is really there for color, knowing it will be read by the press and some in the public and just wanting to paint Lively as badly as possible. Like the detail about Lively not reading the book the movie was based on. That's not uncommon for actors -- sometimes they don't want to read source material because they don't want to confuse their interpretation of the character with another version. It's not actually some damning reveal. Once the film rights to a book have been purchased, it's an interpretation only and there is not any requirement to slavishly adhere to the book. If Baldoni/Wayfarer wanted to hew closer to the book, and Lively had another interpretation in mind for her character, those are creative differences -- they are incredibly common in the movie business. They aren't generally actionable. Certainly you can't sue an actor for declining to read the book a movie was based on, unless their contract for some reason stipulated that they must.

The complaint makes a point of saying that Lively served her complaint on Baldoni and Wayfarer as they were preparing to flee the fires in LA and Lively was safely across the country in NYC. That one was particularly eye roll inducing because of the language involved (talking about how they were packing "go" bags and worrying about their children). It makes it sound like Lively was trying to make it difficult for them to evacuate for the fire when in reality this was almost certainly a coincidence of timing. Blake Lively didn't start the fires in LA, and she was in NY because that's where she lives most of the time. That Baldoni and Wayfarer were served as they were dealing with the crisis was probably an annoyance but nothing more than that.

There is tons of this sort of thiing Baldoni's complaint -- little pot shots to try and make Lively look as petty, entitled, and mean as possible. Lively's complaint has some of this too, but the writing style is more constrained and there's less of it.

That doesn't mean Lively's complaint is better or her account more accurate -- I think Baldoni's complaint raises significant questions especially about her harassment allegations, where he is providing additional context that makes it look like Lively is exaggerating some of these claims. But of course the stuff people are stuck on are these little extraneous details that aren't very important tot he underlying legal arguments. She didn't even read the book! Ugh, she made them bring the costumes to her apartment, rude. OMG she served her complaint on him while he was fleeing the fires?!?!? It's a little game designed to elicit exactly this response but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

I do think the whole thing is about to get even more nasty.

Oh look, Blake’s pr lady is back with another one of her exceeding long, and in this case, exceedingly off the mark, spin.

DP. The quote about the book is dumb. If she wasn't contractually read it, then it's a complete non-issue. It seems petty. But, women love to hate on women for every little thing. Also, her making dumb comments about co-workers shouldn't have any bearing on this case. The media is spoon-feeding narratives, and usually women come out looking worse. That's the kind of society we're in. Take a moment to read Christine Blasey Ford's memoir, eye-opening and maddening.

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Anonymous wrote:What is very clear is that no one else on set had a problem with Justin. Isabel, who played young Lily in the film, after the filming wrapped, wrote him a very lovely series of text about how wonderful he was, how comfortable she felt, and what a great experience it was.

It seems like Colleen Hoover, who lobbied for him to not only direct but star in the movie, had no issues at all, seems she just blatantly chose Blake. I lost a lot of respect for her. But it’s clear no one else had issues on the set.

Isn't it also clear that nobody had an issue with Blake? Since they sided with her over him.

But she is accusing him of creating a bad environment on set and saying, others supported her in that. So far there is no evidence in that, and he actually presented evidence of the opposite.

Isabel’s praising texts made it clear at least she thought he had created a comfortable, welcoming set.

And so far Blake’s team haven’t presented anything to show others were uncomfortable.

Jennifer mentioned a few people where uncomfortable on set too. I don't think it was created out of thin air. I don't think Blake had an huge issue with it though until she tried to use it for her benefit

Isabel had another love scene though, so her perspective is particularly important. If they have evidence at this point they need to show it. This has been dragging on for a long time, we’ve seen a thousand texts, weird that her team hasn’t ponied up anything.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Dp, but you are wrong here. Blake’s complaint does not actually allege what she was wearing in the birthing scene, just drops a footnote about what might typically worn. This is really damming and I think really draws into question how much her attorneys knew they were peddling untruths. As a lawyer, I couldn’t draft this paragraph without asking Blake what she was wearing, and to deliberate omit what she was wearing and instead resort to a vague allusion to usual practice is really troubling because her atttorneys are then participating in a deception. His complaint says she was wearing black briefs and a pregnancy suit .

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Anonymous wrote:I think with both complaints, you can't read it like a factual document or even like a news report of what happened. These are intended to be persuasive documents. As a result they will sculpt a narrative, include details that make their client look good and the opponent look bad, but many of them are ultimately not relevant and may not even be facts they can prove.

Baldoni's complaint does more of this, IMO, which I think is a reflection of his lawyer's style. If you are aware of the other high profile clients he's had, you get a sense of why he would approach it that way. Also if you've worked in litigation at any level you know guys with this personality. It's a type.

But a lot of the detail in his complaint is really there for color, knowing it will be read by the press and some in the public and just wanting to paint Lively as badly as possible. Like the detail about Lively not reading the book the movie was based on. That's not uncommon for actors -- sometimes they don't want to read source material because they don't want to confuse their interpretation of the character with another version. It's not actually some damning reveal. Once the film rights to a book have been purchased, it's an interpretation only and there is not any requirement to slavishly adhere to the book. If Baldoni/Wayfarer wanted to hew closer to the book, and Lively had another interpretation in mind for her character, those are creative differences -- they are incredibly common in the movie business. They aren't generally actionable. Certainly you can't sue an actor for declining to read the book a movie was based on, unless their contract for some reason stipulated that they must.

The complaint makes a point of saying that Lively served her complaint on Baldoni and Wayfarer as they were preparing to flee the fires in LA and Lively was safely across the country in NYC. That one was particularly eye roll inducing because of the language involved (talking about how they were packing "go" bags and worrying about their children). It makes it sound like Lively was trying to make it difficult for them to evacuate for the fire when in reality this was almost certainly a coincidence of timing. Blake Lively didn't start the fires in LA, and she was in NY because that's where she lives most of the time. That Baldoni and Wayfarer were served as they were dealing with the crisis was probably an annoyance but nothing more than that.

There is tons of this sort of thiing Baldoni's complaint -- little pot shots to try and make Lively look as petty, entitled, and mean as possible. Lively's complaint has some of this too, but the writing style is more constrained and there's less of it.

That doesn't mean Lively's complaint is better or her account more accurate -- I think Baldoni's complaint raises significant questions especially about her harassment allegations, where he is providing additional context that makes it look like Lively is exaggerating some of these claims. But of course the stuff people are stuck on are these little extraneous details that aren't very important tot he underlying legal arguments. She didn't even read the book! Ugh, she made them bring the costumes to her apartment, rude. OMG she served her complaint on him while he was fleeing the fires?!?!? It's a little game designed to elicit exactly this response but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

I do think the whole thing is about to get even more nasty.

Oh look, Blake’s pr lady is back with another one of her exceeding long, and in this case, exceedingly off the mark, spin.

DP. The quote about the book is dumb. If she wasn't contractually read it, then it's a complete non-issue. It seems petty. But, women love to hate on women for every little thing. Also, her making dumb comments about co-workers shouldn't have any bearing on this case. The media is spoon-feeding narratives, and usually women come out looking worse. That's the kind of society we're in. Take a moment to read Christine Blasey Ford's memoir, eye-opening and maddening.

You are wrong. Her refusal to read the book and refusal to engage with No More supports his argument that they saw the movie in fundamentally different ways. She saw it as rom com star vehicle for herself and he saw it as something weightier.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: 5:58. I think that’s an interesting theory that something happened and it has to do with Ryan. When you read the messages and baldoni’s version of events compared to lively’s, it seems like she took events/comments out of context from when things were seemingly good between them, and weaponized them against him to make them seem way worse and harassing.

+1 I have changed my theory. I think their relationship was incredibly inappropriate. I am not saying it was romantic but he blurred the director/actress lines with her. He should've had clear boundaries from beginning. Everyone else was stressed from the changes while he's kickiling with her contributing to those changes. They are not being honest about the natural of their relationship.