Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Now the rooftop scenes. In April-ish 2023, they were still friendly and Justin was entertaining having her scenes blended in. I completely disagree it was an ambush as they often hung out the apartment and talked about the movie. This time she was trying to convince Justin to let her have the rooftop scene. Taylor came hours later hyping her.

She's appreciative he was willingly to collab with her and goes on how a previous director used some of her ideas and overlooked. She says Ryan and Taylor supportive (calls them her dragons) but it's not to intimidate. She admires them. She's insecure and he knows it. Thats why he gave her the wink emoji. He's boosting her coincidence. He's not walking on egg shells.

April 14th and 15th 2023




In fact it was the other producers who you can tell really had an issue before Blake/Ryan completely lost it. Justin lawyer said he accommodated her because he was fearful. Expect that contradicts from earlier where it was said they were close and comfortable with each other. As someone mentioned it was saidthey laughed deliriously during late-night writing sessions
How interesting. 🤔

May 1st 2023 before the strikes



During the strikes, Blake asks to see the cuts but I will say she's not mean or rude about it. Up until that point Mister laughing deliriously Justin allowed her to help with everything else. He was obviously annoyed but wasn't annoyed enough to stand with the other producers who said no.



Something happens and Blake/Ryan lose it when filming starts. We need more messages around this time to see what changed. I personally think it was Ryan. He did not write that rooftop scene. He looked over it and may have helped edit but that was Blake and Justin's work.

I cannot keep the chronology straight, it I think the “something” that happened was that Blake felt her writing ideas for the rooftop scene were blown off, and this triggered her (egged on by Ryan and Taylor) to start creating a whole retrospective narrative of all the other ways she had been disrespected. This is a very common dynamic for a borderline personality.

Bingo.

Borderline people approach everything from depressive emotions or fear of being left or abandoned. They create a whole story for people's actions in their mind, where they are the main motivation for the actions. It's very hard to deal with such a person, and eventually it is so overwhelming that you learn to just push them away or ignore them. Blake's overreaction to Justin is consistent with some type of personality disorder, either narcissist, borderline, or a combination.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Well dang. Your complaint would be 180 pages of debating the definition of underwear.

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Both of them are toast. Blake comes off looking extremely difficult and manipulative and Justin is basically a B/C list actor who will continue to be B/C list with stink attached to him now.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Well dang. Your complaint would be 180 pages of debating the definition of underwear.

And it still wouldn't be proof of anything! Rambling about something with a different opinion or presentation of events isn't evidence or proof someone lied.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

the Baldoni answer is VERY strong.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

“factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence” is what I actually said about the OB scene.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

You have a severe misunderstanding about of the legal process.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading both, I believe Blake far more than Justin. All his allegations were vague and non specific and all the writer did was try to use very dramatic language to make the points without specifics. There were so many contradictions and repetitive aspects, someone was being paid by the page as that could have been written in about 20 pages. He comes across as really whiny and his version of events lacks common sense. Blake’s was fare more coherent and believable. And that PR team is a car crash. Ridiculous she used her private phone for work as a PR person!!

I couldn't get past the first few pages it was so melodramatic with no substance. Who wrote this?

Its a PR war. There was so many unnecessary tidbits like Blake knowing his tea ( a hot matcha, that's not a complex order Justin).

That’s how I found it too. Very dramatic with few actual claims and so many contradictions. I read it before looking on here and surprised people thought his was stronger etc. I found it to be quite weak.

I mentioned earlier that I sided with Justin, but I don’t think the complaint is a strong legal document (I feel like it’s everything they tell you not to do). I can only assume it was devised as a tool to get people to read their text conversations and paint JB as a professional who was just trying to get this movie made (as opposed to some sexually harassing creep). If you want to read a ton of Justin bashing, head over to Reddit. It’s just brutal over there. Probably a lot of TS angry fans.

As far as some of her allegations about procedural failures (nudity rider, intimacy coordinator), we’ll have to see. Everything else is just kind of a distraction at this point. And as PP said, it’s PR management.

And, as a disclaimer, I’ve always felt like she sounds like someone who got mad about something and then went scorched earth (not someone who was victimized and afraid). (Imagine if the interviewer (or Seth Myers) hadn’t congratulated her bump but instead asked her about her weight, and then implied they didn’t love her edit of the film! She’s clearly no shrinking violet as she feigns.) Anyway, if she goes home upset to her husband, and she’s good at playing the victim and he’s the overprotective type, the two of them might have convinced themselves he’s a dirtbag who needs to be put in his place and who they need to protect other women from. I just don’t see it, though. The texts do just show a person who’s just trying to get this movie made with as little drama as possible.

I thought the same thing after reading Justin's lawsuit. He has evidence she wasn't telling the truth and that should've been the focus. Instead this was an overly reactionary piece that wasn't needed. For me it left more questions about the missing pieces. While she was overbearing from the start, I thought she was also much nicer and insecure then he had lead on. I wonder what happened because I don't believe she signed on intentionally wanted to steal the movie, but she went scorched earth as well. Maybe Ryan got in her ear. Told her it was her movie and she needed to transform to a dragon

You didn’t read the whole thing I bet. you read the introduction.

In very high profile cases like this, the introduction is written precisely to be the source of media quotes and for the lay public. The factual allegations are spelled out in the body of the complaint. I barely read more than 1/4 of the complaint, but even that portion was packed with factual allegations supportable by documentary evidence that fully rebutted Blake’s claims.

I am curious about the list of what you consider factual allegations with documentary evidence that fully rebutt Blake's claim? I didn't see that in there at all.

Do, but pretty much the entire complaint. You either didn’t read it, or are a Blake supporter in denial.

+1. the OB scene and “fat shaming” are two bigs ones rebutted by Baldoni. The intimacy coordination issue is a little harder to track, but Baldoni’s complaint casts a lot of doubt on the narrative that there was no intimacy coordination. Especially the part where Blake was refusing to meet with the intimacy coordinator, putting Baldoni in the position of having to relay what she said to Lively, then practice the scenes in Blake’s home with Ryan coming in and out. so in effect it was Blake making Baldoni uncomfortable by refusing to use the IC as intended…

The OB scene was not proven with evidence. Justin just gave his own version of events - now ee have two versions. Neiter are facts and niether have evidence. The fat shaming one may still be out of context - who knows or if there was other comments made. Just because it is in a complaint doesn't make it fact and the complaint itself isn't evidence.

Thanks babe, we are all lawyers here and know the difference between an allegation at the complaint and answer stage and a fact as determined by a finder of fact.

The person who gave the OB scene as an example of factual evidence clearly wasn't aware. And likely neither you nor most on are here lawyers. Look how many thought the Baldoni complaint was strong. It was a rambling mess.

maybe it was a strong rambling mess.

Blake said she was wearing a thin strip of material covering her genitals, Justin said she was wearing briefs. That isn't a gotcha moment that proves Blake was lying. I don't know what she was wearing, what exactly Justin's definitions of briefs are, how covered Blake felt or what exactly constitutes a thin strip of material. Briefs are underwear, I certainly have underwear that I would describe as not much more than a thin strip of material. If I was just in underwear and someone was up between my legs, I would probably descibe it the same ways as only having a thin strip of material between us.

As for the friend. Yes, his friend ended up in the Obgyn role. Yes his friend has done bit parts of acting in the past. Did his friend audition and try out for and get this role based on his acting merits? Who hired the friend? Did the friend hang out on the set on other days or only show up for his professional contracted onligations that he was hired to do? Or did Justin offer his friend a role in the movie given maybe he thought saying he was in a scene with Blake would help his career? And if that was the case, given Justin's porn addiction, it doesn't seem coincidental that he gave his friend the Obgyn role up between her legs - even if she had underwear on.

The point is - these descriptions by Justin are not documented proof that Blake was lying. I don't know if she was or she wasn't - but Justin's complaint didn't clear that up either.

Well dang. Your complaint would be 180 pages of debating the definition of underwear.

And it still wouldn't be proof of anything! Rambling about something with a different opinion or presentation of events isn't evidence or proof someone lied.

OMG just STFU. You are in over your head in the legal discussion and have nothing to add in terms of the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:So why would she lie? She’s really risking public ridicule and her career to make a false claim?

The case all hinges on retaliation. Her initial complaints were tenuous or false. But under the law you are protected from retaliation for making a sexual harassment complaint if the retaliation would deter a reasonable person from making a complaint. Although I do not think Baldoni harassed her, it looks like he smeared her chronologically after her complaint and to undermine her continued complaints that he feared. legally it’s more complex that that and far from proven, but it’s still a big threat to him.

More subjectively, I think his decision to do a smear campaign against an A-lister is what triggered this. Setting aside all the other stuff, Blake and her “dragons”
found this unacceptable.

I mean shouldn't we all find this unacceptable? Or, it's okay because she's an "A-lister?" This is aside from the sexual harassment claims.

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Anonymous wrote:So why would she lie? She’s really risking public ridicule and her career to make a false claim?

The case all hinges on retaliation. Her initial complaints were tenuous or false. But under the law you are protected from retaliation for making a sexual harassment complaint if the retaliation would deter a reasonable person from making a complaint. Although I do not think Baldoni harassed her, it looks like he smeared her chronologically after her complaint and to undermine her continued complaints that he feared. legally it’s more complex that that and far from proven, but it’s still a big threat to him.

More subjectively, I think his decision to do a smear campaign against an A-lister is what triggered this. Setting aside all the other stuff, Blake and her “dragons”
found this unacceptable.

I mean shouldn't we all find this unacceptable? Or, it's okay because she's an "A-lister?" This is aside from the sexual harassment claims.

planting stories on social media? Yeah. But I think the implication is that everyone does it on all sides.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually seen the movie?

Yes, I posted about a few times here and there’s a whole other thread on it. I actually enjoyed it and thought they both did a great job.

It’s not a masterpiece but it was a good summer movie.