Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

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Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

Speculation is Harry S.?

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Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

I would guess the Joe chapter ends with “So Long, London” and “But Daddy I Love Him” and “I Can Fix Him” are Matty Healy songs.

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Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

Speculation is Harry S.?

“One noted a song called 'loml' which could be a reference to one of Harry's songs called Love of My Life.

A fan shared a screenshot of the songs next to each other and wrote on Twitter: 'No im sorry...'

Another fan pointed out that one of Taylor's new tracks is called But Daddy I Love Him - after Harry was once seen wearing a T-shirt with the logo But Daddy I Love Him on it.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13050531/Taylor-Swift-fans-WILD-predict-digs-famous-exes-Tortured-Poets-Department-track-list.html

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Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

Speculation is Harry S.?

“One noted a song called 'loml' which could be a reference to one of Harry's songs called Love of My Life.

A fan shared a screenshot of the songs next to each other and wrote on Twitter: 'No im sorry...'

Another fan pointed out that one of Taylor's new tracks is called But Daddy I Love Him - after Harry was once seen wearing a T-shirt with the logo But Daddy I Love Him on it.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13050531/Taylor-Swift-fans-WILD-predict-digs-famous-exes-Tortured-Poets-Department-track-list.html

oh dear god i hope it's not about him!! They didn't date for very long and it's been years

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

Isn’t it a line from the Little Mermaid?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So to this middle aged mom: another album that shades an ex in cruel ways.

yup! I feel bad for Joe. He hasn't said one word about her. I don't think he was built for Taylor's level of fame and that's okay. Their relationship during covid was different. I didn't believe she was trying to get back at him with Travis and Matty but I definitely do now.

We don't even know what this album is my goodness.

We do. She makes it pretty obvious with the album and song titles.

"But Daddy I Love Him" - Is this song about Joe? Did he not get along with Taylor's father?

I would guess the Joe chapter ends with “So Long, London” and “But Daddy I Love Him” and “I Can Fix Him” are Matty Healy songs.

That's what i was thinking. it was a short fling but he was around her dad at concerts

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Is this whole album "The Tortured exes department" and she's the creep torturing them? Her focuses on trashing exes is getting old and sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this whole album "The Tortured exes department" and she's the creep torturing them? Her focuses on trashing exes is getting old and sad.

I hold out some hope that this might be another album with an imagined protagonist who is not Taylor, singing about situations that are not her life. But that track list... it starts to feel like a police procedural with "ripped from the headlines" plots only the murderer is always Taylor and the victims are her exes and the headlines are from gossip rags about her life. Exhausting.

Also if she and Travis are still together at that point, I personally think it would be weird for her to perform/promote/film videos for songs about the end of her relationship with Joe, or with her fling with Matt Healy. I know she's done this before and Joe of course was around when she was doing this with other breakup songs. But as she gets older, it starts to feel weirder. If I was dating someone who had been in a 6 year relationship and her take away was that he was a jerk who wronged her and she ran around singing about it for YEARS afterwards, I would back away slowly until I could hightail it. It's just an extremely immature approach to love and relationships. Once you are in your 30s and have had a serious relationship where you lived together, you should be able to view these things with a bit more evenhandedness and accountability for the role you may have played in things not working out. Or just recognize people grow apart and sometimes it turns out you don't want the same things, but no one is at fault and no one needs to be punished.

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Does anyone else feel like public attitudes on Taylor/Travis may have peaked and be about to start crashing down? I feel like they had kind of peak goodwill after the AFC championship game and people were kind of like "leave them alone! they seem happy! who complains about people being in love?" Like even Charles Barkley was yelling at people for criticizing them.

But after Taylor's kind of weird Grammys appearance, solo, and with the continued questions about Taylor for Travis in LV as the game approaches, I feel this subtle shift in attitudes, like people who two weeks ago would have said "aw they seem happy, good for them" are now saying "she's kind of ridiculous, is this even real, I'm just tired of hearing about it." And now with the new album getting promoted and it looking pretty apparent it's a Joe Alwyn breakup album... I sense the tide is turning.

Probably it won't matter for her in the long run because I don't think her fans will care -- her album will sell, her concerts will sell out. But I'm talking about broader public opinion. I feel like she specifically, and the two of them more broadly, kind of had everyone cheering for them for like one week, but it's over and I think the haters are coming for her, and fast.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else feel like public attitudes on Taylor/Travis may have peaked and be about to start crashing down? I feel like they had kind of peak goodwill after the AFC championship game and people were kind of like "leave them alone! they seem happy! who complains about people being in love?" Like even Charles Barkley was yelling at people for criticizing them.

But after Taylor's kind of weird Grammys appearance, solo, and with the continued questions about Taylor for Travis in LV as the game approaches, I feel this subtle shift in attitudes, like people who two weeks ago would have said "aw they seem happy, good for them" are now saying "she's kind of ridiculous, is this even real, I'm just tired of hearing about it." And now with the new album getting promoted and it looking pretty apparent it's a Joe Alwyn breakup album... I sense the tide is turning.

Probably it won't matter for her in the long run because I don't think her fans will care -- her album will sell, her concerts will sell out. But I'm talking about broader public opinion. I feel like she specifically, and the two of them more broadly, kind of had everyone cheering for them for like one week, but it's over and I think the haters are coming for her, and fast.

I think her PR is working too hard, like the odd pic with Celine Dion backstage after snubbing her. She always acts so hyper and annoying and seems to have zero humility. There are so many big, enduring stars out there who don't behave that way at all, and the contrast is more and more apparent as she ages. Even Miley Cyrus was so much more gracious at the Grammys. She doesn't seem to mature at all and is stuck in high school with the revolving girlfriends click and boyfriend phases.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else feel like public attitudes on Taylor/Travis may have peaked and be about to start crashing down? I feel like they had kind of peak goodwill after the AFC championship game and people were kind of like "leave them alone! they seem happy! who complains about people being in love?" Like even Charles Barkley was yelling at people for criticizing them.

But after Taylor's kind of weird Grammys appearance, solo, and with the continued questions about Taylor for Travis in LV as the game approaches, I feel this subtle shift in attitudes, like people who two weeks ago would have said "aw they seem happy, good for them" are now saying "she's kind of ridiculous, is this even real, I'm just tired of hearing about it." And now with the new album getting promoted and it looking pretty apparent it's a Joe Alwyn breakup album... I sense the tide is turning.

Probably it won't matter for her in the long run because I don't think her fans will care -- her album will sell, her concerts will sell out. But I'm talking about broader public opinion. I feel like she specifically, and the two of them more broadly, kind of had everyone cheering for them for like one week, but it's over and I think the haters are coming for her, and fast.

I think her PR is working too hard, like the odd pic with Celine Dion backstage after snubbing her. She always acts so hyper and annoying and seems to have zero humility. There are so many big, enduring stars out there who don't behave that way at all, and the contrast is more and more apparent as she ages. Even Miley Cyrus was so much more gracious at the Grammys. She doesn't seem to mature at all and is stuck in high school with the revolving girlfriends click and boyfriend phases.

+1, I think she is really struggling to find her footing as a woman approaching her mid-to-late 30s. I don't (and I think a lot of people don't) expect her to "settle down" and I don't care what she does with her private life, if she has kids, etc. Like it just doesn't matter to me one way or another and there are a lot of female celebs who didn't do any of that and who I have only appreciated more as they've aged. But they either always had or have gained some gravitas as they got older. Even someone like Madonna, who I don't think of as being particularly wise even now, developed an older, more mature version of herself that she could age into.

I am right on the cusp between Gen X and Millenials, and I actually think this might reflect how millennials struggle more in general with maturity. They invented the phrase "adulting" to describe doing normal stuff like paying bills, holding a job, or voting. Gen X did not pathologize maturity in this way. They just got on with it, and the aura of cynicism and irony helped to cover up any discomfort they felt with becoming actual adults. As someone who is smack dab in between, I feel the pull of both approaches, but I think at some point you have to just give in and grow up. I'm in my 40s and I do think I stayed a bit stunted for longer than most Gen Xers do. But by my mid-30s I was like "okay, time together my $hit together." Taylor's right at that moment now, I am curious to see what happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else feel like public attitudes on Taylor/Travis may have peaked and be about to start crashing down? I feel like they had kind of peak goodwill after the AFC championship game and people were kind of like "leave them alone! they seem happy! who complains about people being in love?" Like even Charles Barkley was yelling at people for criticizing them.

But after Taylor's kind of weird Grammys appearance, solo, and with the continued questions about Taylor for Travis in LV as the game approaches, I feel this subtle shift in attitudes, like people who two weeks ago would have said "aw they seem happy, good for them" are now saying "she's kind of ridiculous, is this even real, I'm just tired of hearing about it." And now with the new album getting promoted and it looking pretty apparent it's a Joe Alwyn breakup album... I sense the tide is turning.

Probably it won't matter for her in the long run because I don't think her fans will care -- her album will sell, her concerts will sell out. But I'm talking about broader public opinion. I feel like she specifically, and the two of them more broadly, kind of had everyone cheering for them for like one week, but it's over and I think the haters are coming for her, and fast.

I think her PR is working too hard, like the odd pic with Celine Dion backstage after snubbing her. She always acts so hyper and annoying and seems to have zero humility. There are so many big, enduring stars out there who don't behave that way at all, and the contrast is more and more apparent as she ages. Even Miley Cyrus was so much more gracious at the Grammys. She doesn't seem to mature at all and is stuck in high school with the revolving girlfriends click and boyfriend phases.

+1, I think she is really struggling to find her footing as a woman approaching her mid-to-late 30s. I don't (and I think a lot of people don't) expect her to "settle down" and I don't care what she does with her private life, if she has kids, etc. Like it just doesn't matter to me one way or another and there are a lot of female celebs who didn't do any of that and who I have only appreciated more as they've aged. But they either always had or have gained some gravitas as they got older. Even someone like Madonna, who I don't think of as being particularly wise even now, developed an older, more mature version of herself that she could age into.

I am right on the cusp between Gen X and Millenials, and I actually think this might reflect how millennials struggle more in general with maturity. They invented the phrase "adulting" to describe doing normal stuff like paying bills, holding a job, or voting. Gen X did not pathologize maturity in this way. They just got on with it, and the aura of cynicism and irony helped to cover up any discomfort they felt with becoming actual adults. As someone who is smack dab in between, I feel the pull of both approaches, but I think at some point you have to just give in and grow up. I'm in my 40s and I do think I stayed a bit stunted for longer than most Gen Xers do. But by my mid-30s I was like "okay, time together my $hit together." Taylor's right at that moment now, I am curious to see what happens.

To offer a counterbalance to Madonna being a figure of maturity, at 34 Madonna released her controversial, erotica, coffee table book Sex. So it can be argued that Taylor still has time before she gains gravitas.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess TS is going for an academia theme with this new album. Department... chairman... manuscript. I work there and we are not so exciting lol. And I wish she had just written "chair" instead of chairman because lots of women are department chairs these days.

Seriously, PP? Wow - I wonder if anyone will give women the credit they are due now...

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else feel like public attitudes on Taylor/Travis may have peaked and be about to start crashing down? I feel like they had kind of peak goodwill after the AFC championship game and people were kind of like "leave them alone! they seem happy! who complains about people being in love?" Like even Charles Barkley was yelling at people for criticizing them.

But after Taylor's kind of weird Grammys appearance, solo, and with the continued questions about Taylor for Travis in LV as the game approaches, I feel this subtle shift in attitudes, like people who two weeks ago would have said "aw they seem happy, good for them" are now saying "she's kind of ridiculous, is this even real, I'm just tired of hearing about it." And now with the new album getting promoted and it looking pretty apparent it's a Joe Alwyn breakup album... I sense the tide is turning.

Probably it won't matter for her in the long run because I don't think her fans will care -- her album will sell, her concerts will sell out. But I'm talking about broader public opinion. I feel like she specifically, and the two of them more broadly, kind of had everyone cheering for them for like one week, but it's over and I think the haters are coming for her, and fast.

I think her PR is working too hard, like the odd pic with Celine Dion backstage after snubbing her. She always acts so hyper and annoying and seems to have zero humility. There are so many big, enduring stars out there who don't behave that way at all, and the contrast is more and more apparent as she ages. Even Miley Cyrus was so much more gracious at the Grammys. She doesn't seem to mature at all and is stuck in high school with the revolving girlfriends click and boyfriend phases.

+1, I think she is really struggling to find her footing as a woman approaching her mid-to-late 30s. I don't (and I think a lot of people don't) expect her to "settle down" and I don't care what she does with her private life, if she has kids, etc. Like it just doesn't matter to me one way or another and there are a lot of female celebs who didn't do any of that and who I have only appreciated more as they've aged. But they either always had or have gained some gravitas as they got older. Even someone like Madonna, who I don't think of as being particularly wise even now, developed an older, more mature version of herself that she could age into.

I am right on the cusp between Gen X and Millenials, and I actually think this might reflect how millennials struggle more in general with maturity. They invented the phrase "adulting" to describe doing normal stuff like paying bills, holding a job, or voting. Gen X did not pathologize maturity in this way. They just got on with it, and the aura of cynicism and irony helped to cover up any discomfort they felt with becoming actual adults. As someone who is smack dab in between, I feel the pull of both approaches, but I think at some point you have to just give in and grow up. I'm in my 40s and I do think I stayed a bit stunted for longer than most Gen Xers do. But by my mid-30s I was like "okay, time together my $hit together." Taylor's right at that moment now, I am curious to see what happens.

To offer a counterbalance to Madonna being a figure of maturity, at 34 Madonna released her controversial, erotica, coffee table book Sex. So it can be argued that Taylor still has time before she gains gravitas.

She also didn’t have her first child until she was, *gasp* 38.