Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

Explain this as coherently as possible. I followed your link, went down the rabbit hole and I am cofused, to say the least.

The guy was an extremely online teen. The thread explains that this aspect isn’t political, just meme culture, people who don’t often think in complete sentences. Because political extremists also communicate in memes and not complete sentences, people imagine a kink where there isn’t one.

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Anonymous wrote:It's looking like this was an extreme right winger who thought Kirk wasn't right wing enough.

I called it here: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/2370/1291384.page#30770208

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Couldn’t it complicate his defense, when the president of the United States announces live on TV that he has been arrested. (ie, bidding potential future jurors?)

Since Patel was the victim’s friend , should he have recused himself? Wouldn’t a judge have to?

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t it be something if the bread crumb trail that made him more angry in last few years as family stated, leads directly to DT

Yay! Let’s all go out and shoot people we don’t like and blame Trump!

Or maybe you could look at why so many Trump supporters do go out and shoot people? Self-examination seems apropo for all of us right now.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA is saying college radicalized him. Ffs.

What do you think radicalized him?

He barely went to college according to the presser. Also, I find it odd that anyone would say anyone was radicalized because of college because thousands of college kids showed up to hear Charlie in every campus he attended, most of them in MAGA hats.

Please stop 🙏🏻

Young people have strong feelings.

This person was allowed to practice shooting machine guns, for fun, growing up. That perhaps felt like an avenue to channel his negative emotions, since it was a “tool” he had been allowed to learn.

Not saying most gun users would follow in his footsteps.

Just saying we would be much better off with more controls on who gets trained to kill people and who has access to the means to do so.

Alternatively, practice shooting automatic weapons at ranges in Thailand, go off the grid with tons of cash, use basic CAD and make a 3D gun & silencer pack, and shoot someone you don’t like at point blank range, three times in a row. Then run off to your $5k e-bike.

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MAGAs will slither away from this thread now.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be really refreshing if people would stop trying to pigeonhole this person’s political views until we know more about him.

Which we probably will within a day or two.

Is it really hard to wait that long for real information before posting?

you mean the way the president, sitting in the oval office did against the left?

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t it complicate his defense, when the president of the United States announces live on TV that he has been arrested. (ie, bidding potential future jurors?)

Since Patel was the victim’s friend , should he have recused himself? Wouldn’t a judge have to?

You're assuming we still have a democracy and rule of law. That's where you may be mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:From Patel: “To my friend, Charlie Kirk: Rest now, brother. We have the watch. And I’ll see you in Valhalla,” he said.

It's just SO corny.

Sounds like a dog whistle

It's from Game of Thrones when one of the members of The Watch died. Stupid "bro" crap.

It’s not from GoT. Reference to Viking religion because if Kash used a concept for the afterlife from his own faith he would offend the racists that put him in power

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who wants to claim the alleged shooter is a centrist or lefty...

https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lynfxustfc2e

Nope.

So he was engaging with some really nasty right wing stuff on the internet as a teen and his parents apparently did no investigation into what he was copying. Great.

How are you getting that? The Governor of Utah at the press conference said the stuff they had found at the crime scene had anti-fascist writings on it. Those posts are all from 2020 - a lot can happen in 5 years. His family apparently also told investigators he became a lot more “political” recently.

You know that fascism is bad, right?

Can we not even agree on that?

I’m pretty liberal but come on. Charlie Kirk isn’t a “fascist.” He isn’t even a politician!

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Anonymous wrote:I vowed not to come back to this thread, but I just wanted to say as a Dem I’m so impressed with the Utah governor. He said this is watershed moment, but how remains to be seen though he hopes it’s used as an off ramp. He called out everyone, including naming GOP and MAGA to be civil and stop political violence.

He talked about Dems and Republicans coming together in Utah last night to talk about moving forward and even mentioned the toll watching violence on social media affects us.

Bravo! I see the tiniest light of hope thanks to this Republican. May he inspire people.

You were impressed with his religious crap? I am so sick of MAGA right wingers cramming their religious claptrap down our throats.

Charlie Kirk was anything but a saint and his deification by Trump and MAGA is terrifying. His death to his family is tragic and having had a member of my family murdered, I empathize with them but turning him into a folk hero is ludicrous. He advocated stoning gays!

Honey, he did not advocate for stoning gays. Where did you hear that?

Darlin’ Meemaw, for the sake of clarity, “Kirk publicly endorsed a biblical call to execute gay people. On his June 2024 podcast, while criticising a children’s YouTuber’s pro-LGBTQ message, Kirk quoted Leviticus: “lay with another man and be stoned to death,” calling it “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters”. In context, he cited the Old Testament punishment for homosexuality approvingly. (Bollinger, 2024). Kirk did add that he was “not calling for it literally now,” but he emphasised that this biblical mandate was “God’s perfect law”, effectively legitimising the sentiment.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MAGAs will slither away from this thread now.

Except they haven't. They'll bend reality any direction they have to in order to deflect from the rotten nature of their political culture.

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Anonymous wrote:I vowed not to come back to this thread, but I just wanted to say as a Dem I’m so impressed with the Utah governor. He said this is watershed moment, but how remains to be seen though he hopes it’s used as an off ramp. He called out everyone, including naming GOP and MAGA to be civil and stop political violence.

He talked about Dems and Republicans coming together in Utah last night to talk about moving forward and even mentioned the toll watching violence on social media affects us.

Bravo! I see the tiniest light of hope thanks to this Republican. May he inspire people.

You were impressed with his religious crap? I am so sick of MAGA right wingers cramming their religious claptrap down our throats.

Charlie Kirk was anything but a saint and his deification by Trump and MAGA is terrifying. His death to his family is tragic and having had a member of my family murdered, I empathize with them but turning him into a folk hero is ludicrous. He advocated stoning gays!

Honey, he did not advocate for stoning gays. Where did you hear that?

He said it was God’s Perfect Law. Then I suppose it was up to the listeners to interpret what to do with that information.

The ignorant goons believe or pretend their opponents are as ignorant as themselves and their own followers.

“ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

― Jean-Paul Sartre


https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Couldn’t it complicate his defense, when the president of the United States announces live on TV that he has been arrested. (ie, bidding potential future jurors?)

Since Patel was the victim’s friend , should he have recused himself? Wouldn’t a judge have to?

Pshaw

That's the old United States

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

My college teens had never heard of him, when he was shot, they were told by friends that “he promotes gun violence and says horrific things”
So I guess it depends on who/where you are

My high school teen asked me about him last week so I explained scamming via 990s and explained that he's basically a con artist with rizz.

Face it, MOST “internet influencer” or “podcasters” never get traction and are drop out scam artists. Pushing cosmetics, pushing their personal option, pushing their Huak Tuan viral event for five mins.

Then there are the talented people who use them for civil discourse (Kirk) or broadening others horizons (Kelsey bros).

If you can’t tell the difference you’re not listening

I work in the Influencer and podcasting world, and have worked with people like Kirk.

There’s nothing talented about them. What they do is 100% understand the game, which is to be as controversial as possible to get views and virality. When we train new clients, we train them how to speak in ways that are triggering and leave no nuance/room for actual discourse. We also know to pick out debate opponents who will also be triggering in some way - dumb, LGBTQ+, something that will cause the internet to gang up on them and side with the Influencer.

It’s very hard for me to empathize with Kirk because when you get into that world, and over time you become more and more extreme to get more and more views, you know exactly what you’re signing up for. Everyone I’ve worked with has received death threats, had their homes broken into, etc. The women I know who do Only Fans basically live in fortresses because there are so many attempts to harm them.

I’m not gonna celebrate his death, but I’m not going to pretend he was out there doing God’s work. He had extensive training in how to go viral, and that was the motivation behind his content. If cuddling puppies would have made him money, believe me, he would have been doing that instead.

And if you don’t believe me, pick your favorite podcaster/influencer and scroll back on their timeline 10+ years. You’ll see that most start as fairly balanced and nuanced, and over time become more and more extreme because that’s what they need to do to get views. That one chick, Pearl whatever - she started with giving financial advice, nobody watched it, so she started with the whole weird anti-feminism thing (despite her not even following her own advice).

Best post I have read on here in a long time. Trump used the same playbook to propel himself to the presidency. For many years he was close with the Democratic Party. He wanted to run for office, even mentioned it to the Clintons, but the Dems all thought of him as a clown. He seized on some conspiratorial stuff, like Obama's citizenship, and realized that he could ride right wing discontent to the White House. His only goal in the WH is to enrich himself. He cares nothing for our country and the American people. He's a textbook narcissist and constantly craves attention and adoration. As time goes on, he makes more and more outrageous statements and gets away with it. He's the most dangerous political figure in our nation's history.

This is why I never vote for career politicians and only ones with real world experience managing or governing people, budget, departments.

But Trump isn't a career politician and he's the worst. The new online political celebrity blogger / podcaster crowd is who you need to worry more about than career politicians who at least understand the stakes of the game.

They’re one and the same.

Zero skin in the game.

Career politicians, flash in the pan influencers, career activists off donor funds and parent funds. Lots of talk.