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Anonymous wrote:If she was such a perfect pilot let’s see her military records and all of her flight history. When was the last time she flew before the night in question? And who was the VIP they just dropped off?

What difference does the VIP make? This question keeps getting asked but I don't get how it would matter in the sequence of events that led to the cash.

I think the problem is that the military appears to be trying to hide/obscure that a VIP was dropped off. It raises the possibility that there was something improper about the flight -- that the VIP might be someone the general public would consider not worth an expensive trip in a Black Hawk (like what if it's not a military or high level government official, but instead someone's kid or spouse getting a birthday ride, or some billionaire being rewarded for financial donations, or a way to wine and dine a bigwig at a major defense contractor).

Also because there is an emerging narrative that airspace around National is overcrowded and that there is a specific problem with military helicopters causing near collisions in the recent past, it is causing people to question why this helicopter was there at all, and what decision making was involved in putting this helicopter on that flight path at that exact time (a very busy time for arrivals at National).

It's also possible that the military is obscuring the identity of the VIP for national security reasons. But trust in government is at an all-time low, so even if this is the case, people will continue to ask this question. People don't trust the military to make that call and there are too many recent examples of national security being used as a shield for government activity that endangers or harms American citizens (for example NSA spying on US citizens).

I suppose there is also some chance the military is being honest and this was purely a training mission that was given the PAT call sign because the goal of the mission was to simulate a VIP extraction under night conditions. However, if that were true, I think the military would have revealed more information to make that obvious. Like for instance stating where the flight originated (it's quite obvious it was Langley but the military won't say this) and where the helicopter was prior to this leg of the flight. How did it get to Langley? Where was it earlier in the day? These should be easy things to find out and will be part of the investigation, which will include service records on the helicopter to figure out if there might have been a mechanical failure that could have contributed to the collision. Yet the military has said nothing and instead put forth a narrative that doesn't quite sit right with people who are familiar with these sorts of flights. It is much more likely that it was a VIP flight with a training added on return, and it's weird the military won't just say that's what it is, if everything about the VIP flight is on the up and up (a justifiable transport of a high ranking official between military locations for important government purposes).

Presumably the answers will be in the preliminary and final NTSB reports. And because Trump has promised increased transparency, presumably we will find out the truth, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

99% of the people posting here don't even understand what you are saying. They are ignorant of the military and don't care to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

You can always MYOB and show some grace.

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

Yes, it would be understandable to ask for photos-- privately.

I don't understand how the family thought posting publicly was going to go over well. How do you think people would react if the family of someone that just T-boned a school bus at high speed posted this?

It was a public fb post?!

Yes, it was. Maybe not intentionally.

It's on her personal page, but the setting she has is public. Maybe because she thought there might be other people that she doesn't know/aren't her facebook friends, that still might want to share memories or photos of her husband. For example, some of his old friends from high school that he hadn't kept in contact with in the last several years, but they heard about this and looked at his wife's page. They may have some very special memories from decades ago that they'd love to share with is wife.

Again, how do you think people would react if someone publicly asked for photos commemorating someone that just ran a red light and t-boned a school bus? Would you be posting in their defense?

I wouldn’t waste any time thinking about it right now. I live in Alexandria where the city has to keep closing off areas because “debris” keeps floating in more and more areas (so awful and sad). It’s not productive to have that kind of energy. If you know anyone affected by this tragedy I would direct your energy to supporting them in whatever way helps but doing deep dives on family members’ social media isn’t it.

It’s so sad that people can’t just wait until the investigation is over to blame people. Everyone on both aircrafts are dead. Have some empathy.

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Everyone wants a villain to rage against. In this and everything. Our society is so reductive and mad. There's no room for other emotions or for rational thought. It's just us/them, good/bad, black/white. It is really sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

99% of the people posting here don't even understand what you are saying. They are ignorant of the military and don't care to learn.

quoting myself, hit submit too soon

Several people here keep insisting that the crew chief was a "qualified pilot." Pure ignorance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was such a perfect pilot let’s see her military records and all of her flight history. When was the last time she flew before the night in question? And who was the VIP they just dropped off?

What difference does the VIP make? This question keeps getting asked but I don't get how it would matter in the sequence of events that led to the cash.

I think the problem is that the military appears to be trying to hide/obscure that a VIP was dropped off. It raises the possibility that there was something improper about the flight -- that the VIP might be someone the general public would consider not worth an expensive trip in a Black Hawk (like what if it's not a military or high level government official, but instead someone's kid or spouse getting a birthday ride, or some billionaire being rewarded for financial donations, or a way to wine and dine a bigwig at a major defense contractor).

Also because there is an emerging narrative that airspace around National is overcrowded and that there is a specific problem with military helicopters causing near collisions in the recent past, it is causing people to question why this helicopter was there at all, and what decision making was involved in putting this helicopter on that flight path at that exact time (a very busy time for arrivals at National).

It's also possible that the military is obscuring the identity of the VIP for national security reasons. But trust in government is at an all-time low, so even if this is the case, people will continue to ask this question. People don't trust the military to make that call and there are too many recent examples of national security being used as a shield for government activity that endangers or harms American citizens (for example NSA spying on US citizens).

I suppose there is also some chance the military is being honest and this was purely a training mission that was given the PAT call sign because the goal of the mission was to simulate a VIP extraction under night conditions. However, if that were true, I think the military would have revealed more information to make that obvious. Like for instance stating where the flight originated (it's quite obvious it was Langley but the military won't say this) and where the helicopter was prior to this leg of the flight. How did it get to Langley? Where was it earlier in the day? These should be easy things to find out and will be part of the investigation, which will include service records on the helicopter to figure out if there might have been a mechanical failure that could have contributed to the collision. Yet the military has said nothing and instead put forth a narrative that doesn't quite sit right with people who are familiar with these sorts of flights. It is much more likely that it was a VIP flight with a training added on return, and it's weird the military won't just say that's what it is, if everything about the VIP flight is on the up and up (a justifiable transport of a high ranking official between military locations for important government purposes).

Presumably the answers will be in the preliminary and final NTSB reports. And because Trump has promised increased transparency, presumably we will find out the truth, correct?

I mean, as someone who doesn't trust Trump at all and thinks he already made it significantly less likely we find out the full truth of what happened here by instantly politicizing this horrible tragedy and spouting nonsense when silence would have been prudent: no.

This is what he does. He stirs the pot and puts everyone on edge and it leads people to not trust the authorities to do their jobs, not trust the press to report it correctly, etc. And this is true of liberals and conservatives. Trump makes everyone a little bit crazy and a lot distrusting. It's his special gift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

My work has a no press rule but after the Mangione digital footprint free for all I took down all my posts, comments, reviews, and private photos on FB, instagram, newspapers, etc. My Reddit and Twitter and TikTok were viewing only.

People look up everything and it’s a clusterF.

How did you do that for FB? I’d like to do the same but it seems FB has kept some of my older photos set to public view since that’s how I originally had them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was such a perfect pilot let’s see her military records and all of her flight history. When was the last time she flew before the night in question? And who was the VIP they just dropped off?

If it turns out she hadn't flown in a long time, that would be evidence of a military problem, not a problem with the pilot.

There is an Army flight instructor on reddit who has stated that the Army does not give pilots enough opportunities to fly and that many Army pilots are "unsafe" with rusty skills because they struggle even to meet their flight minimums. And the pilots want to fly. But they are often working 50+ hour weeks fulfilling other administrative duties that the Army has deemed more important than time in the cockpit.

This is different than a private citizen with a helicopter license taking a joyride and making bad decisions. If it turns out that she had not been properly trained or had rusty skills or too little flight time, that is 100% within the control of the Army who assigned her to that aircraft and sent her out on this flight.

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Same if she had some health condition. The commanders need to be on the ball with who they are sending out.

Acting like this is one person’s fault shows small-minded thinking. Not surprising for this board, sadly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was such a perfect pilot let’s see her military records and all of her flight history. When was the last time she flew before the night in question? And who was the VIP they just dropped off?

What difference does the VIP make? This question keeps getting asked but I don't get how it would matter in the sequence of events that led to the cash.

How would the crash have happened at all if a VIP didn’t not want a ride? Not sure how you can’t see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If she was such a perfect pilot let’s see her military records and all of her flight history. When was the last time she flew before the night in question? And who was the VIP they just dropped off?

What difference does the VIP make? This question keeps getting asked but I don't get how it would matter in the sequence of events that led to the cash.

The identity doesn’t matter except in the regard to the question do BH helicopters need to be shuttling these VIPs around the dmv if it is putting the public at risk? Is it needed? Was this VIP a true VIP? Were they just getting a favor? Thats the only thing I would care about, if the flight really needed to occur or did it occur as a favor or to make someone feel important?

Yes.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:How many flight hours did the trainer pilot, who was overseeing and evaluating the female pilot, have? Just asking because someone posted that as a captain she outranked him, and he IS the voice on the recording saying he saw the plane they ultimately ran into. Not trying to vilify him, just looking for perspective.

He had 1,000 hours. She's always going to outrank him, because she's a commissioned officer, but as an older warrant officer it's normal that he had more flight experience.

No. She had 450.

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Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

NP here. Maybe this is the pilot who has a child and the wife wanted to collect photos for the child. I’m old enough now to unfortunately have a few friends die, leaving behind young children and this seems like a common request (to gather photos for the kids).

Yes, it would be understandable to ask for photos-- privately.

I don't understand how the family thought posting publicly was going to go over well. How do you think people would react if the family of someone that just T-boned a school bus at high speed posted this?

It was a public fb post?!

Yes, it was. Maybe not intentionally.

It's on her personal page, but the setting she has is public. Maybe because she thought there might be other people that she doesn't know/aren't her facebook friends, that still might want to share memories or photos of her husband. For example, some of his old friends from high school that he hadn't kept in contact with in the last several years, but they heard about this and looked at his wife's page. They may have some very special memories from decades ago that they'd love to share with is wife.

Again, how do you think people would react if someone publicly asked for photos commemorating someone that just ran a red light and t-boned a school bus? Would you be posting in their defense?

I wouldn’t waste any time thinking about it right now. I live in Alexandria where the city has to keep closing off areas because “debris” keeps floating in more and more areas (so awful and sad). It’s not productive to have that kind of energy. If you know anyone affected by this tragedy I would direct your energy to supporting them in whatever way helps but doing deep dives on family members’ social media isn’t it.

It’s so sad that people can’t just wait until the investigation is over to blame people. Everyone on both aircrafts are dead. Have some empathy.

+1000

Everyone wants a villain to rage against. In this and everything. Our society is so reductive and mad. There's no room for other emotions or for rational thought. It's just us/them, good/bad, black/white. It is really sad.

Everyone doesn't want a villain. Most people just want to grieve and authorities to investigate.

The U S. President is the one person who blamed the crash on DEI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many flight hours did the trainer pilot, who was overseeing and evaluating the female pilot, have? Just asking because someone posted that as a captain she outranked him, and he IS the voice on the recording saying he saw the plane they ultimately ran into. Not trying to vilify him, just looking for perspective.

He had 1,000 hours. She's always going to outrank him, because she's a commissioned officer, but as an older warrant officer it's normal that he had more flight experience.

No. She had 450.

She had 450 hours. HE had 1000.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

Or she might not have understood that some posts are set to public. Plenty of people don’t understand the Facebook post settings.

People assuming she set her FB post to public and then trashed her for that are—again—small-minded people who can not envision a variety of possibilities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On Reddit, people said the wife of one of the pilots is being treated horribly. She had asked for people to share photos of her husband, and someone replied they should share photos of CRJ victims.

My call to everyone is to do something nice for others.

Text your government friend and let them know you appreciate their work.

Hold the door for someone.

Text a friend or family member, and let them know you love them.

Hope we can preserve aspects of a healthy society where we treat each other well.

It is shockingly insensitive for families of the helicopter pilots to be seeking that kind of attention under the circumstances.

Don’t think those families are less devastated? You suck.

Of course they're probably devastated. But sometimes it is not appropriate to publicly ask others to join in your grieving.

She posted on her personal facebook page. Presumably, the only people that would be looking at it and sharing would be her friends and family. If "the public" doesn't want to share and join in her grieving, they don't need to look at her page.

It doesn't get more public than posting on the Internet.

You do not know about privacy settings? Maybe she didn’t either.

Still not a reason to trash a recent widow.

Just look at what you’re doing to someone whose spouse just died.

Dang.