My child attends an elite college. It is overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

I also used data from the Department of Education.
How may psychology majors actaully make it to HR execs, and how many HR execs position are out there? We are talking on the average.
Stop being dumb and ignorant.

Here are the majors the big 3 hires - Busines, Econ, Mathematics, science-based subjects such as Physics, Engineering, Chemistry and Computer Science.
Of course they'll hire some from other majors here and here, but don't kid yourself and good luck with our phsychology or history major.

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Anonymous wrote:yeah, you don't go to cambridge to study literature. the time to study literature is high school and even middle school. after that, you read literature for fun. you don't major in literature. not because it is not important, but because you are not good enough to make living doing it.

Of course, no Oxbridge student ever studied Shakespeare...

Hush. Don’t ruin the narrative!

You study Shakespeare as one of the Gen Ed courese requirements.
Never major in Shakespeare.

There are no Gen Ed requirements at Oxford. You study what you came to study and this is it. Unless you study literature, there will been Shakespeare. You "declare" your major before you are admitted (you are admitted to a particular college) and therefore the student can't change their major.

Ok replace that with Free elective?

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There are no free electives, either. There are only electives in your given field of study.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

I also used data from the Department of Education.
How may psychology majors actaully make it to HR execs, and how many HR execs position are out there? We are talking on the average.
Stop being dumb and ignorant.

Here are the majors the big 3 hires - Busines, Econ, Mathematics, science-based subjects such as Physics, Engineering, Chemistry and Computer Science.
Of course they'll hire some from other majors here and here, but don't kid yourself and good luck with our phsychology or history major.

If my child came home and told me he/she wanted to work for a big 3, I would seriously wonder where I went wrong. What price your soul?

[Anonymous]

How do you guys fill time when your kid graduates? Stalking glassdoor to compare their salaries to you friends’s kids? Poring over photos to see who’s got the hottest partner?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

I also used data from the Department of Education.
How may psychology majors actaully make it to HR execs, and how many HR execs position are out there? We are talking on the average.
Stop being dumb and ignorant.

Here are the majors the big 3 hires - Busines, Econ, Mathematics, science-based subjects such as Physics, Engineering, Chemistry and Computer Science.
Of course they'll hire some from other majors here and here, but don't kid yourself and good luck with our phsychology or history major.

Now now PP there’s no need to resort to name calling. It’s okay to feel defensive and insecure when you are so clueless. But look, have another pint of ice cream and eat more cake. It for sure will make you feel better in the morning

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Anonymous wrote:Parents helicopter over kids to get them into “top tier” schools and then completely drop the ball when it comes to helping them choose a lucrative or “impressive” field of study. If you are going to go through all the trouble of hovering over your child so they get into Harvard, why would you pay for them to study interpretive dance?

I’m more impressed by a kid in a pre med program at a mid tier school than a kid studying creative writing at an ivy.

Do any schools actually have "pre-med programs"? Back in my day, kids who wanted to go to medical school majored in things like biology and chemistry. Or really anything, as long as they completed the pre-recs for med school. I even know international relations and econ majors who went to med school.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

You can send your kids to UVA while my kids attend Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Northwestern.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

"stop using Google"

LMFAO
What do you use?
a word from your son's friend's uncle?
or some books from a regional library?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

You can send your kids to UVA while my kids attend Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Northwestern.

Dead Seriously I would send my kids to UVA McIntire while you send your kids to Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Northwestern and majoring in gender study, communication, psychology, art, film, literature, religion, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:YMMV, at the SLAC I went to people generally mingled and people only had vague ideas who was how rich. Maybe Facebook/IG has changed that, but if you put a couple of thousand kids in an isolated freezing environment and then add alcohol, and give them no outsiders to socialize with, maybe it hasn't

This was my experience too (and so was definitely on the poor end, got some financial aid but tuition was a stretch for my parents)

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Anonymous wrote:How do you guys fill time when your kid graduates? Stalking glassdoor to compare their salaries to you friends’s kids? Poring over photos to see who’s got the hottest partner?

Sound like you are a clueless parent, and your kid(s) may turn out to be a statistic for this problem:

https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-crisis

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's too early to tell or maybe she just didn't capitalize on all the opportunities (I suspect very few do) but it most certainly has not changed her life. The thing I do notice is overall a higher percentage of deeply committed pre-med students than my son's peers at the state flagship. Other than that there's this laughable idea that an elite college is a golden ticket to a $150,000 job offer and a rich spouse and that's just not accurate. The plum six-figure job offers are scarce and go to the connected and elbowy overachievers with perfect grades. And generally the rich socialize with the rich. If you want your child in that orbit they need to be in that orbit by 9th grade at some ritzy prep or boarding school.

I have a niece at Cornell who is close with my daughter and she has had a similar experience. At Cornell the rich are in the rich kid sororities and fraternities.

A few years back we were caught up in the admissions frenzy but in retrospect it seems so nutty. I'm [now] far more impressed with a parent who tells me their kid is at a less selective school but just got into medical school than some Ivy League parent who tells me their ubiquitous kid is going into "consulting" for $60,000 a year or some second rate grad program.

Dear OP,
Please provide your perceived list of "elite colleges" so we can have context here.
Thanks!

Not the OP but
Carnegie Mellon Computer Engineeingn or UVA McIntire sounds more elite than Princeton gender study, Northwesetrn communicaitons, Yale psychology, Harvard art & film.

One thing is that the OP made a bad example.
Consulting or Finance postions after graduation from highly repected business programs or Econ/Math/Stem majors from top colleges(Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Northeastern) will get you 6 figure immediately.
OP should have said something like 'an Ivy kid getting a HR job for $5000 with a liberal art degree'.

Your writing is atrocious and you apparently have no idea what the liberal arts actually are.

Sorry I left out a 0. Meant to say $50,000.
Just gooled it and
"According to Payscale.com, entry-level HR Managers with less than five years of experience are paid $51,000 on average. During their mid-career, they see their average salary rising to $62,000."

This is if they get lucky to land a HR position at some good company.
Average salary is expceced to be lower with a liberal arts degree. Dont' get mad at the facts.


NP omg PP. Stop using Glassdoor. Actually stop using Google if all you’re going to do is believe everything that’s posted online, and you don’t have the first hand experience to cut through the clutter. MCKinsey loves hiring liberal arts grads. And HR execs can pull in more than Lawyers by ‘mid career’.

I also used data from the Department of Education.
How may psychology majors actaully make it to HR execs, and how many HR execs position are out there? We are talking on the average.
Stop being dumb and ignorant.

Here are the majors the big 3 hires - Busines, Econ, Mathematics, science-based subjects such as Physics, Engineering, Chemistry and Computer Science.
Of course they'll hire some from other majors here and here, but don't kid yourself and good luck with our phsychology or history major.

If my child came home and told me he/she wanted to work for a big 3, I would seriously wonder where I went wrong. What price your soul?

You sound like a narrow minded and short sighted parent.

Kids in high school normally don't have that level of detail, but it is normal for high achieving kids to have general ideas and directions.
They would learn more of those details while in college and start sending resumes.

However nothing's wrong with high achieving kids already having more detailed ambition or dream like;
- I'm interested in computer and artificial intelligence, and working for Google is my dream
- I want to go into aerospace engineering field and later work for SpaceX or NASA
etc.

A kid might want to become a global business person. That kid would take some business electives and AP Econ in high school.
The kid would join business related clubs like FBLA, Investment club, National Business Honor Society, DECA, Entrepreneurship club, etc.
Thiese are very common clubs in high school
Not surprising the kids get familiar with some of the best global companies in business management, investment etc. with those ECs

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Elite universities provide opportunities that non-elite universities don't. That's a simply fact. If the students cannot take advantage of those opportunities during or after college, then it is on the student.

Elite universities meaning HYPSM. Not Northwestern, Hopkins, Duke, Cornell, Vanderbilt, etc.

A history major from Harvard can easily get interviews to the cream of the crop investment and consulting firms - McKinsey, Lazard, etc. GPA and extracurricular is not even taken into account.

That same student at UVa would need to be a finance major in McIntire with a 3.7 GPA and multiple industry-focused extracurriculars with leadership positions. Probably leadership positions in certain well-connected frats as well. For an interview.

That same student at Virginia Tech would not even get an interview, regardless of whether they have a 4.0 GPA and president of every industry-focused club. Top investment banking and consulting firms simply do not recruit at Virginia Tech.

The interview may itself be more meritocratic given both students perform similarly, but interviewers are biased towards elite universities and having employees from elite universities is a selling point for the firm to the clients.

Beyond the first job - which itself can be very important as it snowballs into better future opportunities and networks - having an elite university helps in both climbing the career ladder as higher positions are occupied by those from elite universities - regardless of whether it's due to nepotism, inherent drive or most likely both - and graduate school.

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Anonymous wrote:Elite universities provide opportunities that non-elite universities don't. That's a simply fact. If the students cannot take advantage of those opportunities during or after college, then it is on the student.

Elite universities meaning HYPSM. Not Northwestern, Hopkins, Duke, Cornell, Vanderbilt, etc.

A history major from Harvard can easily get interviews to the cream of the crop investment and consulting firms - McKinsey, Lazard, etc. GPA and extracurricular is not even taken into account.

That same student at UVa would need to be a finance major in McIntire with a 3.7 GPA and multiple industry-focused extracurriculars with leadership positions. Probably leadership positions in certain well-connected frats as well. For an interview.

That same student at Virginia Tech would not even get an interview, regardless of whether they have a 4.0 GPA and president of every industry-focused club. Top investment banking and consulting firms simply do not recruit at Virginia Tech.

The interview may itself be more meritocratic given both students perform similarly, but interviewers are biased towards elite universities and having employees from elite universities is a selling point for the firm to the clients.

Beyond the first job - which itself can be very important as it snowballs into better future opportunities and networks - having an elite university helps in both climbing the career ladder as higher positions are occupied by those from elite universities - regardless of whether it's due to nepotism, inherent drive or most likely both - and graduate school.

Your first sentence, the first part is accurate. I would agree that certain schools offer more options. But those options are still there at the top 40 schools. Use your example. A history major at Duke, Vandy, BC will also get those interviews and those jobs. Yes high GPA, internships, etc. But that Harvard history major also has to have the grades. None of those firms want the bottom of the class even at Harvard. Maybe it is 50% of class at Harvard but it is 25-33% at those other schools.